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PO Box 55045, Phoenix AZ 85078-5045
Promoting Intimacy and Other-Centered Sexuality
Liberated
Christians Guest Book
For LC related Comments not Preaching Nor Personal Ads
Name: Jasper
Location: Germany
Email:
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, December 28, 2002
Time: 08:44:39 PM
DECLARATION OF SEXUAL RIGHTS In August 1999, the World Association of Sexology held its 14th World Congress on Sexology in Hong Kong. The following is the Declaration of Sexual Rights adopted at the congress: World Association of Sexology (WAS) Declaration of Sexual Rights Sexuality is an integral part of the personality of every human being. Its full development depends upon the satisfaction of basic human needs such as the desire for contact, intimacy, emotional expression, pleasure, tenderness and love. Sexuality is constructed through the interaction between the individual and social structures. Full development of sexuality is essential for individual, interpersonal, and societal well being. Sexual rights are universal human rights based on the inherent freedom, dignity, and equality of all human beings. Since health is a fundamental human right, so much sexual health is a basic human right. In order to assure that human beings and societies develop healthy sexuality, the following sexual rights must be recognized, promoted, respected, and defended by all societies through all means. Sexual health is the result of an environment that recognizes, respects and exercises these sexual rights. 1. The right to sexual freedom. Sexual freedom encompasses the possibility for individuals to express their full sexual potential. However, this excludes all forms of sexual coercion, exploitation, and abuse at any time and situations in life. 2. The right to sexual autonomy, sexual integrity, and safety of the sexual body. This right involves the ability to make autonomous decisions about one's sexual life within a context of one's own personal and social ethics. It also encompasses control and enjoyment of our own bodies free from torture, mutilation and violence of any sort. 3. The right to sexual privacy. This involves the right for individual decisions and behaviors about intimacy as long as they do not intrude on the sexual rights of others. 4. The right to sexual equality. This refers to freedom from all forms of discrimination regardless of sex, gender, sexual orientation, age, race, social class, religion, or physical and emotional disability. 5. The right to sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure, including autoeroticism, is a source of physical, psychological, intellectual and spiritual well being. 6. The right to emotional sexual expression. Sexual expression is more than erotic pleasure or sexual acts. Individuals have a right to express their sexuality through communication, touch, emotional expression and love. 7. The right to sexually associate freely. This means the possibility to marry or not, to divorce, and to establish other types of responsible sexual associations. 8. The right to make free and responsible reproductive choices. This encompasses the right to decide whether or not to have children, the number and spacing of children, and the right to full access to the means of fertility regulation. 9. The right to sexual information based upon scientific inquiry. This right implies that sexual information should be generated through the process of unencumbered and yet scientifically ethical inquiry, and disseminated in appropriate ways at all societal levels. 10. The right to comprehensive sexuality education. This is a lifelong process from birth throughout the lifecycle and should involve all social institutions. 11. The right to sexual health care. Sexual health care should be available for prevention and treatment of all sexual concerns, problems, and disorders. ---- Sexual Rights are Fundamental and Universal Human Rights !
Name: M&M
Location: Los Banos, California
Email: losbanos69@yahoo.com
Website:
Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002
Time: 03:44:21 PM
We are a married couple in our late 30’s, wishing to form an intimate relationship with another couple living within 30 minutes travel time of our home town of Los Banos, California. Primarily we are interested in making good friends – anything sexual that may develop is just a nice plus. Contact us at losbanos69@yahoo.com and be sure to say where you live – you would be surprised how many people hundreds of miles away still insist on e-mailing us.
Name: fred powell
Location: sun city,arizona
Email: gpowell8@cox.net
Website: http://www.n/a
Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002
Time: 06:33:53 AM
found your organization to be very interesting, with a great deal of information. will be looking forward to attending your orientation. fred.
Name: Dave in Phoenix
Location: Phoenix
Email: dave@davephx.com
Website: http://www.libchrist.com
Date: Sunday, December 15, 2002
Time: 06:12:56 PM
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Name: Kevin
Location: El Paso Tx
Email: caring13@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, December 05, 2002
Time: 11:13:10 AM
Hi there.. First of all I want you to know that i am not the greatest at writing so forgive me for that. I just came across your website and wanted read the section of"Swing Without Guilt or Jealousy" and wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed that article. I was raised in a strict Christian home and for some reason I have always thought that there should be no guilty feeling if one wants to enjoy the touch of another human being. I really deep down believe (my thoughts only) that both the church and also society want us to conform to their ways. Like sheep.My feelings I know are not accepted by alot of others by why would we be given such a special gift (our sexuallity) if we were not intended to enjoy the moment. I have been married to a WONDERFUL woman for almost 31 years and would never do anything to hurt her. But I have urges and desires. I could go on but maybe I am saying too much at the moment, Again I just want to say that i have greatly enjoyed comming across your sight and reading a article that i can relate too. Would like to meet more people or couples who feel the same. Thanks Kevin
Name: Lynn Hosek
Location: Olympia, Washington
Email: lhosek@att.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, December 03, 2002
Time: 12:59:37 AM
Great site!
Name: John & Ursula
Location: Ky.
Email: grayeagle69@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, December 01, 2002
Time: 08:13:58 PM
We think that this site is very imformetive and more people need to be aware of it's exsistence, we found it by accident, but we will let others know. Please keep up the good work,and may god bless you.
Name: Sean
Location: Grand Junction, Co
Email: Tihack2002@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, November 18, 2002
Time: 12:45:07 PM
I'm so thankfull for today,this moment a gift from our Father. 50 years old, lost my wife 2yrs ago after 26 yrs of marriage. I know that Jesus has made all things right with me concerning God. All my efforts, successes and failures add up to nothing, so Jesus is everything. 6'1'' 225lbs enjoy working out, the mountains,star gazing, traveling, sandy beaches, libraries,art museums,dogs,my children(all grown) prayer and meditation,praise and worship and fun consensual sex.
Name: Lisa Ellefson
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Email: LFSON@pathway.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, November 09, 2002
Time: 12:18:43 PM
Thanks for this site - I have been struggling for years with my religious beliefs and being a sexually active, single female!
Name: me
Location: here
Email:
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, November 07, 2002
Time: 10:46:31 AM
Please don't claim yourselves as christians when you don't live accordingly. Live the way you want that is your free will but be warned if you do claim yourself as christian. The bible says in Romans 1:26-27 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecents acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. There are many other biblical references against all kinds of sinful transgressions but you can find your freedoms from being enslaved with sin through Jesus Christ who died for our sins. Don't disgrace His name by claiming to be followers of the Son of God.
Dave comments, gee a clueless anonymous preaching post who obviously has not read any of the biblical section or would realize how silly their attack sounds. Instead of just deleting it I keep it up as an example of what we have to put up with from Christians so biblically ignorant of what the passages actually said as understood in the culture in which written before the anti-sex agenda that lies about the passages. So many good meaning but totally ignorant Christians in our culture. And since they can't get people to voluntarily agree with their positions they impose their particular beliefs on people via laws etc, since they are so weak they have to force people to perform as they want them to.
Before showing your biblical ignorance at least read the materials in the biblical section the extensive bibliography of serious Christian scholars, and samples of zillions of letters we get from Christian ministers and you would realize you only embarrasses yourself by your preaching such lies here.
If you want to discuss issues go to the Forum which has a very active discussion group.
Name: R n P
Location: Portland, OR
Email: adventuretogether@yahoo.com
Website:
Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002
Time: 04:59:13 PM
We are fairly new to the lifestlye and have used our (limited) experiences to greatly improve our relationship. We value our faith and approach our adventure with integrity. We aren't looking to argue theology ... been there done that. We would value contact for other people of faith who live near us. We are early 40's HWP and very social. RnP
Name: Tony Langdon
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Email: tlang1@optusnet.com.au
Website: http://quest.apana.org.au/~tlang
Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2002
Time: 05:40:27 AM
Thanks for an excellent site. It is good to see alternative viewpoints on issues that traditional Christian doctorine has trouble dealing with. I am a gay man and have been confortable with that part of me for many years. I have also had to deal with satisfying my interest in the nudist lifestyle and trying to deal with polyamorous interests, while in a pre-existing monogamous relationship with someone I love dearly. Thanks for an excellent resource and one of the more enlightened places on the web.
Name: marc jubuas
Location: hornbrook,ca
Email: kingdomtrust@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, October 13, 2002
Time: 04:18:03 PM
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Name: marc
Location: san diego
Email: throathere
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, October 13, 2002
Time: 01:20:05 AM
Iam a gay male who was introduced to oral sex and christanity at age 8, after attending traditional churches for years I found my gay repressed lifestyle more full filling, than my traditional christian lifestyle, now at age 48 I have no hangups about giving other bisexuals and gay men oral sex, I believe I was born to enjoy sex with other men who are non smokers and slendar and single like me.
Name: mindy / marv
Location: covington ky
Email: msandlin1@msn.com
Website: http://www.feels-great.com
Date: Wednesday, October 09, 2002
Time: 04:33:39 PM
You have a very interesting web site keep up the work
Name: Eddie and Iva
Location: Sikeston, Mo
Email: crsinmo@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, October 07, 2002
Time: 01:36:13 PM
We keep your link in a favorites and visit it often. We wish there was a place to close to us that we could attend a service.
Name: Malcolm & Rosemarie
Location: Philippines
Email: m_kirke@yahoo.co.uk
Website:
Date: Friday, October 04, 2002
Time: 03:41:44 AM
In reply to your posting on Lib Xtians website, we are Rosemarie and Malcolm. We’ve been married over eleven years. Rosemarie is 44, Filipina, brought up RC. I, Malcolm am 72, English, do not call myself a Christian though I am in agreement with almost everything Dave and Bill put on their website and have greatly enjoyed reading all the stuff. I am certainly interested in spirituality, and of course sexuality. We live in Philippines, a beautiful but poverty-stricken country halfway between China and Australia . I like nature, science, music, mathematics, making things (especially sailboats and musical instruments). Rose likes growing plants and keeping tabs on our little boy’s school work (he’s six) and keeping in touch with her large extended family. Rose is open to sex with me in the company of other couples or in a liberating semi-public environment, but not at the moment to either of us having more than one partner. Even if we never do this we would still like to hear personally from other couples who have shared their sexual experiences, so that we can learn more about what is involved. If we can meet, so much the better. Our relationship is pretty good, we both much enjoy sex, which is better than it ever has been, for me, because I have a partner who suits me in that way. .. Ours is a small town where everyone knows almost everyone else and what they are up to, even if they get it wrong. There aren’t the facilities for countrywide communication like in USA or Europe, internet use is still minimal and language is a problem, illiteracy and poverty are widespread. If any of this interests you, email us: m_kirke@yahoo.co.uk
Name: Hugh Sullivan
Location: Orlando, FL
Email: StickmanLt@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002
Time: 02:08:42 PM
This site is amazing. After surfing the web and finding only christian sites that were either by right-wing nuts, or spoof sites making fun of those right-wing nut sites, I've found this site. My faith in Christianity has been re-affirmed.
Name: Tom & Sharon
Location: Las Vegas
Email: S1134SCFD@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, September 26, 2002
Time: 10:37:57 PM
Hi, my wife and I have been Christians for over 10 years and trying to walk the walk. We have always shared our fantasies with each other and kept them in the closet. We have recently decided to try out the lifestyel and have had one experiance. I had problems because of religous guilt and old ideas. I have been looking for information on how to deal with my hang ups, and it looks like I am not the only one that has had this problem. I enjoyed reading the letters and they have put alot of concerns aside, Thank you .
Name: Pam Wyatt
Location: Kansas
Email: pcw5858@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2002
Time: 09:12:59 AM
I am finding I have a LOT to learn, or, re-learn. I love this site! Thanx!
Name: Debbie/Dan
Location: Liberal kansas
Email: Tee@greenhills.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Friday, September 13, 2002
Time: 01:59:32 PM
We just discovered your site. I started swinging when my husband was overseas in the military. i always felt guilty and ashaimed. now my husband and I both swing .now after reading your article for the first time I am able to enjoy loving sex with complete sexual gratification with out the feeling of either guilt or shame thanks Debbie
Name: S.N. Joseph Selvaraj
Location: Tamil Nadu, India
Email: grace_foundation@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.Not yet created
Date: Saturday, September 07, 2002
Time: 12:55:55 AM
Dear Brother / Sister in Christ, 07.09.2002 Greetings to you from Grace Foundation – A Foundation is registered under the societies of Registration Act 1975. Our Registration Number is 54 of 1976 as religious charitable society. Our Main aim is to preach the word of God in the nook and corner of India. Because only 6% of Christians are living in India. Other 94% are Hindus, Muslims, Sikh, Jain and Bahai’s. India is consists of rural villages and Tribal area in Mountains which consists of Forest and Jungles. Indians are poor and downtrodden. Many of the Indians are not even heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ one time in their life. The harvest is full but the laborers are few. "The coming of Lord is at hand according to Matthew 3:4" (KJV). We have to spread the word of God at the earliest because that there should be time no longer according to Rev 10:6 (KJV). India is the third world, developing country. So we find it difficult to share our financial contribution in the Evangelistic work. But we can share our work, time, energy, commitment and dedication. So we the board of directors of Grace Foundation are requesting your Foundation to collaborate with us and sanction grant to the sharing of the word of God. We are giving our financial need as follows. Kindly pray for the need. If Lord leads you, kindly share according to your decision. Budget Sl.No. Particulars Amount 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. A Mini Van for taking the Gospel pockets, Tracks and Pamphlets, Speaker system, Videos & Cassettes. Printing cost of 10,00,000 copies of Gospel Pockets, Tract & pamphlets Video Projector Sound System Honorarium to the Evangelists 10 Nos.x2500x12 Fuel & Contingencies Grand Total Rs. 3,75,000 Rs.10,00,000 Rs. 2,00,000 Rs. 50,000 Rs. 3,00,000 Rs. 75,000 --------------Rs.20,00,000 Grant requested from you is $ 41,666 U.S.Dollars or L 30303 U.K.Pounds. We know that you cannot share all our needs but youc an share what Lord told to you. Small drops make Ocean. Kindly remmember us in your kneelings. May the grace of our Lord be with you and your Ministry. Yours in the Service of the Lord, S.N.JOSEPH SELVARAJ, General Secretary, GRACE FOUNDATION 6/93,TEACHERS COLONY, SOUTH EACHAMPATTI, ENAM KALPALYAM POST, TRICHIRAPALLI DISTRICT, TAMIL NADU, INDIA PINCODE: 621 005.
Name: VLion
Location:
Email: webking@usa.com
Website: http://www.webking.tv
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2002
Time: 12:52:40 PM
I made the previous comment because the "Liberated Christians" do not accept Scripture as the God's word and that it is absolutely true regardless of anyones perception of it at anytime in the past or future. Everyone with average intelligence and a heart knows interior perceptions do not change the exterior reality. If I see a pyramid shaped diamond and percieve it as a cardboard box, it still remains a pyramid shaped diamond no matter the innacurate perception of its looks. Just as you have stated you try to understand the bible based on the perceptions of the people of the person's writing it. The bible, God's word, does not teach to interpret it using the measuring stick of the perception of the person writing God's word. Rather, it teaches to understand Scripture in view of what God himself meant by what he wrote, and at best, the perception of what God meant who was writing his word only serves as a test but does not have the final determanation of what God meant. God's word, teaches that it is self interpreting with the aid of God's Law written in our hearts and the guidance of his Spirit. You are looking to the cultural understanding for your dominant source of the truth. Again I'm not saying perceptions are wrong, but it is not to serve as the dominate source of the understanding of Scripture. A short example of your error: Let's say God said, "Don't lust after a woman you are not married to." And Joan Doe records it word for word as Scripture at God's request. Now God says, Joan record this, "You don't need anyone elses understanding of Scripture to understand what it means, people's opinions will help you as long as they are not wrong, but their opinions are not necessary to know what I meant. I've written my laws in everyones heart so they will know the truth, so they have no excuse, also you can pray to me for understanding on what I've written if you have deluded yourself with lies, but you have to pray to teh right God, me, and want the truth, not a lie." Now Max a passerby read what Joan recorded and thought God meant he wanted everyone to eat cheese and lust after women, but God caused her to write what he said down correctly. One day Mr. and Mrs. Liberated-Christian who have read Scripture come along and ask Max, "what did God mean by all that stuff he had Joan write," Max replied, "he wants everyone to eat cheese and lust after women." Now Mr. and Mrs. Liberated-Christian read what Joan wrote again and think to themselves, "I see nothing about cheese or that we are supposed to lust after women." Yet, in their desire to satisfy their sexual cravings they decide to go with what Max told them. They also consulted others who shared views similar to Max's and began to have orgies with women they were not married to. Hopefully, what I've written will help steer you in the right direction.
Dave replies: I have studied the
biblical issues for 20+ years starting out feeling like you and setting out to
prove my conservative views. But after much seriously study it became clear the
bible doesn't say what the twisted traditions have made it say. Clearly there is
nothing biblically wrong with swinging, polyamory etc. Remember in biblical
times, many wives and concubines had been the norm for many years and never was
wrong. Many serious biblical scholars are saying the same thing, many ministers
and other sincere Christians that take the bible seriously enough to study it in
original language before the lies of tradition.
While I support the bible in the original language as written, (not traditional
twisting based on an agenda not honestly) ) it is hardly God's word. It never
claims to be. It is "inspired and useful" There are zillions of contradictions
etc and God isn't that confused. Paul even says what we writes isn't directed by
God but his own views.
Name: Wildfire
Location:
Email: streamweb@europe.com
Website:
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2002
Time: 07:33:32 PM
Does anyone have ...edited out. We do not promote child sex in any form.
Name: VLion
Location:
Email: webking@usa.com
Website: http://www.webking.tv
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2002
Time: 07:31:57 PM
No one has evidence the bible is not trustworthy. It is self interpreting, not an impossible riddle, our perceptions of the bible do not change the reality of what the bible teaches. It is God's written word. All of the archeological evidence, all the extrabiblical evidence verifies the historical accuracy of the bible. Just because the bible has different variations does not make it untrustworthy as some claim such as the Muslims. The variations are not very important as they do not affect the doctrine on how to get to heaven on which there is always consistancy when the bible speaks on the subject. On my site you can find books by christians and non christians verifying the historical accuracy of the bible, including its prophecies. And no, I do not ignore books or arguments allegedly showing the bible is flawed and corrupt, the books I link to deal with these arguments well. Don't bash my site until you've studied it carefully. And don't bash the bible if you havn't taken much time to study it. Remember, always have evidence for your beliefs, and make sure your evidence is really evidence or just insults or an opinion. Evidence, evidence, evidence. VLion
Dave says, I don't understand what this has to do with Liberated Christians? We take the bible very seriously, looking at what it said in the original language as understood in the culture in which it was written, not the admitted lies of traditions that have changed the meanings of much of the original text dealing with sexuality. Our bibles are based on "tradition" not "dynamic equivalency" as admitted by the NIV committee, similar to all our traditional versions.
Name: nathan
Location: san gabriel valley
Email:
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, August 26, 2002
Time: 04:28:28 AM
seeking single adult christian bisexual or gay submissive men as friends with simular interests like art, writting, friendship, guys who love lots of hugging, who enjoy free massages too, I, am a liberature brother seeking friendships mainly with white non smokers and non drinkers call 909-593-053 I,m 61 yu male seeking spirit filled men. Friends first. not into judging, love,joy,peace
Name: Jen
Location: california
Email: cplofsurfers@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, August 24, 2002
Time: 10:59:26 AM
I have read your page and while this is inticing for a very sexual person I have to question you on a few points. Please also know I am not trying to put anyone down here or to preach - if you will read the whole letter you will see we seek answers here - good, biblically based answers. Jesus asked us to deny "ourselves" to follow him. He gave us the choice to make freely so where does pleasing our "fleshly-human" desires fit into that? Next would be how can we use our free will to defy what Jesus tells us is wrong in telling us that to even look upon another "lustfully" is a sin.... How do you get around that one theologically? I struggle with this issue like many of your readers and I would love to have you show me scripturally how you can base your choices here to indulge "human awareness and self" when we are told many times over in both old and new testaments that God wants us to work on thinking like Him? If we are busy with thinking like humans we end up in the same boat as Sodem and Gamorrah do we not? I don't want to argue - I genuinely want to seek answers to this issue as I have often felt that sex was a wonderful gift given to us and that we should live each day to it's fullest including this gift of sex. I just could not find a way to "morally" allow it to be a practice I could live with and still go Boldly to the Lord as I do now. My concern is that any scriptures can be twisted to fit any situation and the Adversary would love to have us all believe that we can indulge like this - Can you plainly - with no 'Grey' areas show me that based on Scripture and not assumptions? Can any reader do that? If we can definatively determine without even a shadow of doubt that Jesus did not mean what he said when he tells us not to look lustfully on others - especially those of us who are married, then I will jump in head first with no hesitation. I would love to give into my personal desires and so would my hubby but until someone or many of you can help us with these issues we are stuck in the "norm" of Christian practices with sex and will never experience the freedoms you all seem to have found without the guilt. Please - feel free to email us. We would love to hear what you all may have to share and hopefully we can then make a very good decision. Blessings, Jen cplofsurfers@yahoo.com
Dave notes: Since the guest book isn't for discussion I have referred her to our Delphi discussion forum and E-mailed her detailed answers to her questions. We also cover these issues at The Bible, Christianity & Sexual Issues at http://www.libchrist.com/bible/contents.html
Name: connley davidson
Location: orlando ,florida
Email: mrmrs2play@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, August 22, 2002
Time: 08:13:24 AM
we are a fun loving couple who enjoy fun and friends. we host parties every saturday in orlando , our web site has 38,000 members getting our weekly newsletter , and over 55,000 hits a day on web site. www.cfcplaymates.com
Name: Thomas & Lyn Phoenix
Location: Beaumont, Tx
Email: tat2edpreacherdude@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, August 05, 2002
Time: 09:05:29 PM
We're long time swingers & new Christians....We struggled with the idea of not continuing our lifestyle because it felt so right to us. We decided that if God gave us no guilt, it couldn't be wrong. I'm glad to know that others feel the same way. Add the fact that I feel a calling to the ministry, & I believe We'll fit right in with this group beautifully!!!
Name: United Methodist Minister
Location: Charleston SC
Email: lowcountryswingers@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Friday, August 02, 2002
Time: 12:36:59 PM
As Christian Minister and swinger (though not currently active) I am glad to see a realistic approach to human sexuality. My wife and I became swingers twenty years ago, though we often take breaks from swinging for a year or two. Guilt and prejudice are not God's working tools. He created our bodies for us to enjoy. Love is not sex, nor was it ever meant to be. I find your approach highly interesting and personally freeing. Lowcountryswingers@hotmail.com
Name: Danielle
Location: UK
Email: daniellejones@freemail.hu
Website: http://www.nudedanielle.tk
Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2002
Time: 10:06:12 AM
continuing to read with growing interest!
Name: Jen
Location: California
Email: cplofsurfers@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, July 22, 2002
Time: 12:13:41 AM
This is an interesting approach - Can't wait to read your theory!
Name: S
Location: San Francisco
Email:
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, July 03, 2002
Time: 12:32:51 AM
Hi there, Nice to see the site like this around... :) However, there should *really* be an update on articles about condoms & AIDS - the info (from 1997) is dangerously, dangerously out of date and/or misleading, and by now has been proven to be wrong... I run into the links to two of the articles condoning a very casual use of condoms for sex in relation to AIDS on another site, that was including it into advice for escorts and prostitutes... not a good policy. Just a note - I'm a bi woman, polygamous, sex positive, not at all happy about the use of condoms myself... however, I want to live, and even more importantly, want to make sure not to destroy lives of people I love and lust for...
Dave comments: Recent data just confirms the very low heterosexual risk, almost none for heterosexual men with no other risk factors and while a bit higher still low for women. Clearly HIV is very isolated in known risk groups, swingers have always been low risk with never a known case and the CDC data continues to confirm why swingers are at such low risk. But I always recommend condoms since other STD's are a much more real risk.
Name:
Location: Phoenix, Az.
Email: josephfsch@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, June 23, 2002
Time: 09:15:08 PM
I have done some research on this type of information & would like to go deeper into the subjects that I have read about. It is most interesting as I have wondred what this entails. Keep up the good work. Joe
Name: Patrick Casanova
Location: Fairfax, near Washington D.C.
Email: anonymous_15@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.webspawner.com/users/patrickcas21
Date: Friday, June 14, 2002
Time: 05:54:24 PM
Excellent website. Keep up the good work and ignore the ignorance of some of the people who have signed your guestbook; it's only going to cause stress to try and deal with people who won't even listen to what you have to say. Your website will surly continue to liberate people and bring them much needed happines; I'm sure Yahweh is proud of your work :) Take care, Pat
Name: Don and Lou
Location: Oklahoma City
Email: Fltsolo@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, June 01, 2002
Time: 03:06:50 AM
Very interesting information. Lou has the same religious hangups although she is very attractive and is a natural exhibitionist. Your material has been very helpful to her
Name: Katrina and Rich
Location: Riverside, CA
Email: kimandrich3835@msn.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, May 29, 2002
Time: 12:22:46 AM
We're pleased with the format of this system. Good job! We're sure that we'll find a true poly female here, and not someone for just a romp that doesn't understand what polyamory is.
Name: T. MICHAEL OWEN
Location: SCOTTSDALE
Email: MIKESQWEST1@AOL.COM
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002
Time: 07:42:17 PM
RECENTLY MOVED TO THE AREA...AND WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT IS AVAILABLE AND GOING ON...USED TO BE ON YOU MAIL LIST..BUT FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON I AM NOT RECEIVING IT NOW. THANKS, T. MICHAEL OWEN
Name: Ralph & Michele Root
Location: Phoenix
Email: rroot@cox.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002
Time: 02:59:57 PM
I found your site last week and have been very surprised and glad to find the answers to questions I've had my entire adult life. Somehow I thought I was not "right" for thinking this could possibly be an active lifestyle, and participation without guilt is possible. Just one draw back is getting Michele to open her mind to new possibilities, and getting past the naïve ness. This is something I want to do but I don't want to do without her involvement! She is very "Christian" thinking, and after nine years of marriage the only time I get to see her nude is during our love making which is also when the lights are out. No matter how many times I have told her that she is a very beautiful woman! Some things are changing slowly but are moving in the direction of betterment. Thank You, Ralph Root - Phoenix
Name: Al
Location: Hollywood FLORIDA
Email: Hunter8334@aol.com
Website: http://www.whipsmarttoys.com
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002
Time: 08:32:13 AM
We support Swinging groups around the country, by showing at regional shows, giving products to clubs for prizes ect. Please forward your info to us, your marketing materials or website and lets get together on something. Thanks Al Click here: Welcome To WhipSmart Toys!
Name: Dr Leftover
Location: Delawhere
Email: drleftover@themediadesk.com
Website: http://www.themediadesk.com
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002
Time: 12:50:42 AM
Fascinating. And I thought I was the only Heretic on the Web. Love the site. You might like my 'Dancing in the Sight of the Lord' series on the Desk. http://www.themediadesk.com/religion/religion.html And the "Lord's Lunatic" ... dirty dishes and the gospel. You'll love it. Anyway... Perhaps we should discuss... everything. "The time has come", the walrus said, To talk of many things... Of shoes and SHIPS and sealing wax...of cabbages and kings" And why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings". That's a start. Dr. Leftover The Media Desk
Name: Nevin & Lynette
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
Email: nevandaisy@cox.net
Website:
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002
Time: 12:05:50 AM
Met a couple from Phoenix at Hedonism II last march. Their names were John and Maggie. We ate dinner with them at the Japanese Restaurant and during dinner Maggie and I got a little playfull with each other (we sat next to each other). My wife and I are not in the lifestyle. I would like to be, at least to some extent. I love Lynette. She is 47 years old and the most beautiful 47 year old you ever laid eyes on. What's more, she loves dressing in sexy outfits and lingere. She even wore a little string teddy (for all intents and purposes she was naked) to the pajama party at Hedonism II). She loves going naked (Jamaica twice and several times to Terra Cotta Inn in Palm Springs). She enjoys hearing my fantasys but will not share her's with me. She says they're too boring but I doubt that. She says she is not interested in having sex with anyone else, male or female. It has been almost a year and a half since I first proposed swinging. I've bought and read many books about swinging such as Terry Gould's "The Lifesytle" but so far I'm the only one to read them. I believe even opening the book scares her. I would love to meet up an instigator like Maggie who could be playfull with Lynette and help her to, at least contemplate, the lifestyle. She loved Hedonism II and even did some nasty things to me while lying around the pool. Her, having an orgasm, is the most beautiful, erotic sight on Earth and I would love to expand our sexuality but she simply does not want to. Maybe I'm asking too much. Any thoughts.
Name:
Location:
Email:
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, May 18, 2002
Time: 08:12:23 PM
Wow... isn't the rest of the church and all of historical Biblical
Christianity "lucky" to have you to show us the errors of our ways?
I don't need to read your material or the trash from Penthouse to know that both
are crap.
Can't take anything but flattery, eh?
Dave says: Your only intelligence has been attacking post with absolutely no biblical knowledge or interest other than your sarcasm. And you don't post any ID. You are not welcome in the Guest Book. There is a Delphi Forum if you really want to show your ignorance and arrogance which Christians are sadly noted for.
Name: Juan Martinez
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Email: firstwholesoul@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, May 13, 2002
Time: 09:48:01 AM
What a wonderful web site. I am glad that I am not the only "liberated christian."
Name: Sunni
Location: Las Vegas
Email: Sunnyone63@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, May 11, 2002
Time: 11:02:11 AM
Wow! Thank you for making me feel more comfortable about my needs and desires. I was afraid of the guilt that I would feel. Great Site
Name: Melanie
Location:
Email: Faith_on_Fire17@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Friday, May 03, 2002
Time: 11:03:12 AM
First, tell me, where do you draw the line between right and wrong? Do you believe there is such a thing as sin?
Dave edited: Rest of the sermon deleted. My reply:
Before making a fool of your self showing your
ignorance in the guest book you might first read our biblical material. Your
sermon shows how uneducated most Christians are on biblical matters.
All your issues are addressed in many articles, books by theologians who take
Christianity more seriously etc at http://www.libchrist.com/bible/contents.html
Best Wishes, Dave in Phoenix
Name: elton eveningred
Location: p.o.box 5664 clearlake, ca 95422
Email: eltonbon@juno.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, May 02, 2002
Time: 11:56:51 PM
never heard of this sight or church ,thanks i will be in the phoenix area soon would like some more info and maybe a address so i could attend a service, or maybe one close to were i live also ,thanks,. elton
Name:
Location:
Email: info@search4love.com
Website: http://www.search4love.com/
Date: Thursday, May 02, 2002
Time: 08:26:53 AM
It was wonderful to find this site! I have always thought that God gave us a strong sex drive because he wanted us to enjoy it!
Name: Bill Paulson
Location: Sharps Chapel, TN
Email: biblethumperbill@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.geocities.com/biblethumperbill
Date: Friday, April 26, 2002
Time: 06:06:37 PM
Wonderful site! One of the finest Christian sites on the Web. I point everyone I know to it.
Name: Jen
Location: Georgia
Email: bigeorgia@yahoo.com
Website: http://theposition.com/takingpositions/thereligiouswrite/01/03/19/homosex/default.shtm
Date: Friday, April 26, 2002
Time: 01:09:13 AM
The above link is a great write up by a Bishop on Homosexuality and The Bible. Just wanted to share it. :) Thanks for the webpage. You have helped my husband and I tremendously throught your links and posts.
Name: Tim
Location: Phoenix
Email: timr99@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, April 22, 2002
Time: 07:05:45 AM
I found your website very interesting and a good source of learning and gathering new information. If youy have any type of e-mails you send out I would like to receive them. Thanks...
Name: Roger Tilley
Location: Houston, Tx
Email: thetilley@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2002
Time: 05:52:16 AM
Just discovered your site and am very excited. A prayer come true? Would love to communicate with other s of similiar interest and experiences , especially those in the Houston area. I have studied Gnosticism and Tantra. I believe the most spiritually intense event in the God's universe is a woman having an orgasm, by the grace of God.
Name: joe
Location: spain
Email: jformoso@arrakis.es
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002
Time: 02:34:08 AM
Greetings from Spain. Love Joe
Name: Mark
Location: New York
Email: powergasm_now@yahoo.com
Website: http://geocities.com/powergasm_now/
Date: Sunday, March 31, 2002
Time: 06:30:17 AM
Great site! Sexuality and sensuality are God sent. Keep up the good work - we wish we can hear from the creator of the site. Enjoy and heal others! Please check out our site where we teach the Powergasm technique. You are welcome to it and to teach others about it. Looking for like minded individuals in New York to meet and do massage with wonderful couples or singles. and to contribute articles. Thanks!
Name: Patrick Casanova
Location: Virginia
Email: casanovapatrick@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.webspawner.com/users/patrickcas21/index.html
Date: Thursday, March 28, 2002
Time: 05:48:52 PM
GREAT SITE!!!! Lazy scholars get on my nerves so it is refreshing to know there ARE honest scholars on this God-forsaken Earth! Great site... keep up the good work..... u better! lol ;)
Name: Benjamin John
Location: Dubai, UAE
Email: jkptiip@email.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, March 23, 2002
Time: 09:05:09 AM
Hello Everyone! I have a feeling there arent many people here from Dubai, UAE. Nevertheless, I would like to meet people atleast through email as email pals! I would love for anyone regardless of age, race, gender, etc to email me and share their views and enjoy a wonderful discourse on this subject. Also, I would love to get to know you personally and become friends. SO if there are such people out there, please email me!
Location: ,Ohio
Personal ID info Deleted due to unwanted E-mail
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2002
Time: 09:31:08 AM
We are reading Terry Gould's book and you web site is very helpful. There are several clubs in central ohio that we have attended for the past 8 years. Now we have had several parties at our home with 2 other couples. . Thank you for helping to bring together solid Christain ideas in the year 2002.
Name: anthony gifford
Location: toronto, ontario, canada
Email: giffordanthony@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Friday, March 15, 2002
Time: 02:45:22 AM
I was acting minister in mainlinechurch for 22 years. Not now. Modern Christianity saddens me so very much. I just found you. GREAT! Perhaps you are part of the new vision that is needed. I invite all to contact me re anything to do with Christian polyamy. Maybe we can form a group up here in the north. To you founders, don't get discouraged! Keep it going!
Name: Martin Jarrell
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Email: darkwolf_72@hotmail.com
Website:
Date: Monday, March 11, 2002
Time: 04:48:22 PM
WOW...I just had a look around and I must say you guys have a good idea of whats going on in life. I am a pagan so I have a few different views about things, but it is nice to see that not all the followers of Christ are dead from the neck up. Keep up the good work and keep teaching. Love and Bright Blessing Martin
Name: Larry and Shirley
Location: Texas until this summer!
Email: Purple57Vette@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, March 05, 2002
Time: 09:50:41 AM
Well, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines so if it was good enough for him it is good enough for us! Glad to see something about this lifestyle. We are very interested in learning more! Keep up the good work! God Bless you all!
Name: Mark
Location: Texas
Email: MarkGives@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002
Time: 03:34:13 AM
Aggie: Agree with some of your comments but hate to disagree with you on your belief that this site is hiding behind religion. In fact I think they are trying to get "in front" of religion; or more specifically in front of Christianity. Leading Christians to the real Christianity based on Love rather than exclusionary pride filled ways. But this venue within the website is not for debates, but for introductions anyway. Sorry Dave. :)
Dave says - Well said !
Name: aggie
Location: dallas tx
Email:
Website: http://www.
Date: Friday, February 22, 2002
Time: 08:25:25 PM
First let me say I do not have a real problem with this site, but why are you hiding behind religon for this? this is no different than any other swingers web site, Mostly couples looking for a lady. If this is something you are interested in or participate in why hide behind religon? I am an honest, hard working, person who wants to make this world a better place, but this is another reason, I do not go to church or practice religon. Weak minded people who need someone to tell them how to live there lives, and for people to hide behind and use religon to cover there actions or desires. PEOPLE understand, if you are happy with yourself, contribute to society to make this place a better world, then you do not need to use religon as a crutch. Now if you do for privacy, okay, but think, there are so many religons and they all think they are right. Why would one be right and the others wrong and bound for damnation? sorry, but that is my beleif, and GOD knows I am no saint, but I am happy with myself and I try to be a better person and help others.
Name: R&T
Location: Nashville Tn
Email: tncpl77@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2002
Time: 04:14:36 AM
Hi, Interesting site. Middle age couple seeking new adventures. Never have really got into this lifestyle, but had thought about it years ago. Now would like to meet others and see if it is for us. Open minded. e-mail and photo will be answered.
Name: Steve Moyer
Location: Vermont
Email: steve@peaceroom.net
Website: http://peaceroom.net/steve
Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002
Time: 09:48:42 AM
Wonderfully refreshing. I'd love to participate in such a group. Christians need sexual liberation, as does everyone. Please call me or send me email ( steve@peaceroom.net ) if you would like to do something in Vermont. ( 802-363-7179 ) Blessings! Steve
Name: diandDon
Location: Amarillo,Texas
Email: Di and Don 3858@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Friday, February 15, 2002
Time: 12:26:55 AM
WE BOTH LOOKED AT YOUR SITE, AND WE BOTH LIKED YOUR SITE.
Name: Alisha
Location: Melbourne, FL USA
Email: hamali1@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2002
Time: 11:39:22 PM
I have enjoyed your site very much. Some very well written articles. I do wish that some of the site's sections were updated more recently.
Name: Camrod
Location: Reston
Email: camstar@37.com
Website: deleted
Date: Tuesday, February 12, 2002
Time: 10:17:15 PM
I think your explanation of the parental role in helping children by having sex with them is beautiful, I think it is sick to deny a child sexual pleasure with their own parents and limit them to a type of stunted love. A child should be able to lose her virginity to her father or brother foremost, rather than a stranger, or experience the taste her mother or father's sexual fluids just as she would her husband. How odd to send a child off to school, without experience, full of fear and insecurity, because he or she lacks the sexual skills needed to enjoy sex with others. I think it is because of sickening restrictions like this that there are child rapes and abuse, because the parents of children who instinctively want to make love to their children are forbidden to, and both child and parent act out provoking eachother, until the inevitable happens. If anyone would like to help support the movement to give children their sexual freedom with parents or other adults, please try my website at XXXXXXXXXXXXXXor the other mirrors I list.
Sincerely,
Camrod, Youth Pastor
Dave says: In our culture this is illegal and few people can even rationally discuss the issue. In many cultures, when a child reached puberty they were taught good sexuality skills by elders. In Biblical times you married at 12/13 years old usually based on a financial family deal and were betrothed at an earlier age. But in today's culture hands on teaching by elders at puberty is illegal and not possible due to our immaturity regarding sexual issues. I have also deleted the website references in this intro since they are mostly pay sites and of questionable legality if their claims are true of the models ages.
Name: Carl
Location:
Email:
Website: http://www.violence.de
Date: Friday, February 08, 2002
Time: 03:37:19 PM
[As President] "My administration will elevate abstinence education from an afterthought to an urgent goal." —Presidential candidate George W. Bush, November 1999
"Bush pledged to increase federal funding [for abstinence-only-until-marriage programs] to at least $135 million a year." —The Washington Post, June 1999
"It’s very important to understand the power and promise of abstinence education." —Presidential candidate George W. Bush, September 2000
From George Orwell's book "Nineteen eighty-four":
"One of them was a girl whom he often passed in the corridors. He did not know her name, but he knew that she worked in the Fiction Department. Presumably — since he had sometimes seen her with oily hands and carrying a spanner she had some mechanical job on one of the novel-writing machines. She was a bold-looking girl, of about twenty-seven, with thick hair, a freckled face, and swift, athletic movements. A narrow scarlet sash, emblem of the Junior Anti-Sex League, was wound several times round the waist of her overalls, just tightly enough to bring out the shapeliness of her hips. "
Name: yum
Location: usa
Email: yum_nega@yahoo.com
Website:
Date: Friday, February 08, 2002
Time: 01:33:02 AM
I love the format and information, good site! But when was last update? It seems as if text mentioning dates is from 1999... Is the site active?
:) thanks for a good site
Name: Mark Golez
Location: Philippines
Email: toolboXmummymail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, January 19, 2002
Time: 01:58:07 AM
Just wanna say hello and Im still a Virgin!
Name: Lindsay
Location: Florida
Email:
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, January 17, 2002
Time: 06:27:36 PM
i think its really great how this site expresses the fact that sexuality isnt an "evil" or "bad" thing. thats all. good job.
Name: Maria
Location: Europe
Email:
Website: http://www.growingaware.com.au/goddess.htm
Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2002
Time: 07:32:39 PM
Great Site. It is so important to re-discover especially the women's sexual capability which is still crippled by a patriarchal tradition lasting for more than ten thousand years.
Name: Fabian
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Email: born2ice@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002
Time: 10:08:11 PM
Dear Liberated Christians page
I love this site :) It holds valuable information and interesting facts. I appreciate the knowledge that it contains and the help it gives on being a better person. Thank you guys for helping me out personally, not only in my Christian journey, but also in my personal sex life. I love it!
Name: Tim
Location: Washington State
Email: Tim127J@netscape.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, January 12, 2002
Time: 12:46:07 AM
Hi!! I think that their are wonderful things on your web site that are hated by many but still God breathed. I love some of the stands you are taking for God by exposing some of the traditions of man that are not Godly or scriptural but portrayed by many so-called pastors and leaders as good and holy. I think I can understand somewhat why you haven't taken a position regarding men lying with men and other issues. These are actually very clear in the bible. I support the idea that a man and a woman should be told that it is fine to have sex after puberty. The age at which God clearly has designed us to start to "do it". I do also support the idea of self-control. If one says to me that they just aren't ready at the age because their so many other issues surrounding sex. I say "I'm tired of your non-sense and excuses, if they are not ready in other issues surrounding sex than whose fault is that?? Did God change the natural and good desires of young healthy people to not start happening until they turned the "magical age of 18" to appease stupid polititions, stupid parents and other greedy and blind members of society? Nope, as you should be able to see these sons and daughters are still having sex after puberty. But sadly now it seems it is a secret and shameful thing for them to do(so says man, not God) and the people previously mentioned seem to care nothing about these kids natural and God given sexual desires. If God is against pleasure then maybe you should stop eating that food pal! After all isnt it dirty?? And stop breathing that air too, it just feels too darn good and surely anything that feels good is sinful isnt it?? I'm surely not saying that everything on this web site is pleasing to God, but there are definite things of value on this site that any real leader could put to good use. Check it out, read your bible, pray and follow God and his ideas rather than stupid traditions of man that must go to make way for God's kingdom!!!! Orgies may be good for the body but are they good for the soul and spirit? Keep seeking God and taking up fights for him guys and he may begin to support you financially in ways that you haven't even imagined! I testify that the devil is a loser, that in certain cases God likes sex and that sex between a 28 year old man and a 13 year old girl may be perfectly fine in God's sight although some "messed up" people may say different. Whatcha gonna do throw me in jail for being right? My God can bust me outta jail faster than you can say "bail". If you want to play on the losing team, thats your free choice isnt it?
Name: Chris
Location: TULSA
Email: christoph23at@hotmail.com
Website:
Date: Saturday, December 29, 2001
Time: 12:50:17 AM
This homepage is awesome. I' a believer and I looked a long time for that.
If you are in TULSA, OK and you are under 25 and you are horny PLEASE contact me. I'm married and bisexual.
christoph23at@hotmail.com
Name: trewu
Location: Germany
Email: trewu2001@yahoo.de
Website: http://www.humanbeing.demon.nl/ipceweb/Statements/universal_sexual_rights.htm
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2001
Time: 09:30:28 PM
Great Site. There is still too much sexual repression in the world. And freedom of love and sex outside marriage is not only a elementary human right, but also necessary for physical and mental health.
Why should love that Jesus taught not include sensousness and sexuality?
Name: Buddy Cundieff
Location: Payson, Arizona
Email: hot_shot@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2001
Time: 05:10:56 AM
I have found that very few, and I mean few ca satisfy a woman totaly on a daily basis. Yet a man can be satisfied on a daily basis quite often. A woman should be able to remain in a relationship and have a lover or several lovers according to her wants with out any consequenses from her mate or society. Many have done so for centuries but the results when discovered are tragic. Let's let thinghs flow as they naturaly can and not let childish and prudish attitudes run or lives.
Name: Arturo Argüelles
Location: Bacolod, Philippines
Email: wala@wala.ph
Website:
Date: Monday, December 17, 2001
Time: 04:47:53 AM
Kul! Sa wakas, mga kristyanong aktwalmenteng dumidistansya sa mga popular na pagpepersibeng kristyano. Sana lang talaga na ang mga tao dito ay tulad nyo. Iniwanan ko ang pananampalatayang katoliko mga tatlong taon na ang nakalipas pagkatapos ng mga karami-raming taon ng desilusyon sa mga stans nito sa seks, pag-ibig, libreng albedriyo, atbp. So yon, ituloy ang magandang gawain! Pagkatapos ng pag-iisip ko na ang lahat ng mga kristyano ay ilohiko at makikitid ang isip, napakagandang malaman na meron din palang mga ilan-ilan atlis sa inyo na aktwalmenteng nag-iisip at may malalawak na perspektiva.
Mabuhay kayo!
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Cool. At last, Christians that actually stand apart from what is popularly perceived as Christian. I wish people over here were like you. I left the Catholic faith about three years ago, after years of disillusionment with its stands on sex, love, free will, etc. Anyways, keep it up! It’s so good to know after a long time of thinking that all Christians are illogical and narrow-minded and stuff that there are at least some of you who actually think and have a broad perspective.
Name: John & Melissa
Location: Wichita Kansas
Email: zealousknight@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Friday, December 14, 2001
Time: 01:28:42 AM
Thanks for creating/keeping this sight. Very enlightening! My wife (24, redhead) and I (29) are eager to connect with other...like minded people.
Name: Dennis
Location: Niagara county, NY
Email: winterfish@juno.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2001
Time: 01:43:24 PM
Fascinating site.
Name: www.heytim.com
Location: www.heytim.com
Email: www.heytim.com
Website: http://www.heytim.com
Date: Sunday, November 25, 2001
Time: 03:44:57 PM
Loved the visit at your site. Thanks for providing this information to everyone in the world. I've been Christian since 1994. Thanks man!
Name: shelby smith
Location: texas
Email: sd@wf.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, November 24, 2001
Time: 10:46:59 PM
I enjoy learning on your site very much but would appreciate having more specific biblical illustrations/ verses, etc.
Dave says: We have a HUGE biblical/Christian section at http://www.libchrist.com/bible/contents.html
Name: Thomas
Location: San Diego
Email: admin@wavefour.com
Website: N/A
Date: Saturday, November 17, 2001
Time: 04:00:15 PM
I have been in a 20 year marraige that just failed primarily over sexual frustration. I have maintained sexual monogamy throughout this marraige. Yes Pat, I am one of the few that dropped from heaven. However, never again. The news from my wife that she was leaving me did not cause me tribulation. It actually restored me as I am now free to explore new relationships. I will never get married again. I will find a new mate and I am in prayer that this is a blessing from my Lord. I know Jesus wants us to celebrate and this is my goal to balance my heavy work load with a new and vibrant relationship(s). I too am glad I stumbled onto your site as I will explore your philosophy with an open mind.
God Bless you,
Thomas
Name: Patricia
Location: Southern California
Email: singzac@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001
Time: 11:00:53 PM
The idea of polyamory has recently been introduced into my vocabulary. For years I practiced a celebate and devoted christian lifestyle waiting for the mythical christian male to fall from the sky! The church is hurting and quite dysfunctional when it comes to exploring and discussing sexuality. I finally made the decision that an intelligent, degreed, and beautiful woman like me was no longer going to sacrifice her sexuality on the premise of misconceptions. I am now in a relationship with a non-christian man who is non-monogamous. We care for and respect each other. he has been very open about his need for other sexual liasons. What do I do; shut him off as the christian phiposophy advocates? or accept that he cares for me but is not yet ready for marriage or monogamy? I am finding myself beginning to learn more grace through acceptance of my continuing desire for him and for his natural needs.
I am glad I stumbled onto your web-site!
Cheers,
Pat
Name: Drue, Carol's husband
Location: knoxville Tennessee
Email: knoxsocial@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001
Time: 06:25:35 PM
Just ran across your site, we've been "swingers" for almost a decade, but never have been comfortable with that label. We socialize with a great many couples, but have reserved our most intimate of relations to a very small group of couples whom we've shared on more than a friendship or sexual basis. It is with great interest we will read though and learn other views on things we've felt but had trouble expressing, this will definately help. Thank you. ~Drue and Carol
Name: Bob
Location: California
Email: barebottombob@lycos.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, November 07, 2001
Time: 12:18:38 AM
I have thoroughly enjoyed viewing your website. It is comforting to know that other Christians share similar beliefs. As you can imagine, these ideas aren't taught in the traditional Baptist churches I grew up in :-) It would be nice to meet other heterosexual couples with similar values.
Name: Dario Western
Location: Brisbane
Email: Theglamgod@hotmail.com
Website: http://communities.msn.com/NAVELAmerica
Date: Friday, October 26, 2001
Time: 12:23:29 PM
Hi,
Up till recently, I had very mixed opinions of this website. Whether we like it or not, the human race is changing. I don't think that enough nudists (especially "Christian" nudists) have realised that the spirituality of nudism is that we also shuck off our human nature when we go naked with other people.
There are too many nudists (Christian or otherwise) who get very uncomfortable with homosexuals, lesbians and swingers, and how many nudist clubs have weeded them out. I even wrote to a young born-again Christian nudist whom I showed this site to, and he was quick to condemn it and pray for me being 'blinded' by people turning truth into lies.
The Bible tells us that there are people who revere God who are weak in faith and those who are strong in faith. I see the Liberated Christians as the latter. Even though I am celibate, I no longer see what you are doing is wrong. I only wish every religious/spiritual person could have the courage to cut through the social and political dogmatic bullshit the way you fellows are.
I'm not a swinger or a homosexual, but the Bible has taught that not everyone is alike sexually. I'm very much a perfectionist when it comes to sex, and I only want to give it to a woman who is open to other people's aesthetic and sexual differences as I have become with this site!
Take care.
Name: D.Lawson
Location: Phoenix,Az.
Email: maxslaw@earthlink.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2001
Time: 04:23:31 PM
I found your site to be somewhat of a vessel for a fresh breath of air, thus far wehat I have been able to read is to say the least....."attention Getting"
I look forward to finding out more, Thanking you in advance for taking the time & efforts in uncovering,such interesting view points,from a long over due "Security Blanket"
Just Simply Max !
Name: David
Location: B'ham, AL
Email: yeswedo2000@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.geocities.com/yeswedo2000
Date: Saturday, October 13, 2001
Time: 12:05:50 PM
Thanks for such a great site guys. I've used it often over the past 2 or 3 years, for friends and myself.
Your site answers so many questions, I usually refer people to it, to save myself the time :) And I must say, you've brought many people into the lifestyle, who would otherwise still be fumbling around without a clue.
While my grammer may not be all that good. My heart is in the right place.
David
Name: Justin McBride
Location: Ontario, Canada
Email: justin65mcbride@netscape.net
Website: http://www.gayspirituality.freeservers.com
Date: Friday, October 12, 2001
Time: 12:07:31 PM
You have a very challenging site.
Name: David Wade
Location: Union, Missouri
Email: wade0310@worldnet.att.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, October 02, 2001
Time: 07:24:45 PM
I enjoy the frank and honest approach that this site gives. Sex was considered a "dirty" word becuase of people like "Paul of Tarsus". That man never had sex and is not speaking from experience or knowledge of "any" kind. The creators of this world also think this is a very stupid way of explaining their creation. We do not judge other people's situation and wish that others would not judge our's.
Name: J T
Location: Dothan, AL
Email: jtrt_2001@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2001
Time: 12:16:21 AM
Was really excited to find this site. I have had problems with this stuf because I am the son of a Southern Baptist minister. thanks Now if you could only have more gatherings.
Name: johnnie'n angie
Location: birmingham,alabama
Email: silvertongue60@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Friday, September 14, 2001
Time: 12:26:50 PM
hi do you have any contacts in birmingham,alabama?
Name: charlie
Location: chico
Email: charlie22752@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, September 02, 2001
Time: 06:24:51 PM
Great web site many are in need of healing from hang-ups the christian church gave them, there needs to be a Church of Healing of Hang-ups or a Liberated Christian Center in every city.
Name: Sven
Location: Atlanta, Ga.
Email:
Website:
Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2001
Time: 09:17:44 PM
I enjoyed your website and found it very interesting. I am glad that you support your belief. But I apologize for those that totally rant against any type of religion that is not their own. I believe that ANYONE has the right to believe what they want to, as long it does not harm anyone, or puts people at risk.
Name: Christian Müller, called "Beam"
Location: Germany/Franconia
Email: Beamelix@gmx.net
Website:
Date: Friday, July 20, 2001
Time: 01:54:05 PM
Finally a few men and women awaken and realise the true meaning of the word freedom. When I learned about the crimes the church committed in the Midages, and in the name of god, I was so shocked that I immediately left this community. I kept questioning their teachings and it led me to "preaching" that there are better ways of living together, and I deeply hope that some nice day I fall in love with someone who understands my thoughts. As many people may find themselves in equal situations ot there, I greet them all, saying:
"Have no Fear and let the Love shine!" Be well - Beam
Name: Vic
Location: SF Bay Area
Email: Gotex4@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2001
Time: 03:52:40 AM
Great site--Makes me what to revive my Christain roots and dustoff my religious heritage. Have always thought that anything as beautiful as love and sex should not be a moral issue.
Vic
Name: Martin and Beckie
Location: Tennessee
Email: martink@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, July 08, 2001
Time: 09:55:05 AM
Great Site! Does anyone know of a Christian swingers group in central Tennessee? We'd also like to see some tasteful christian porn. Links?
Name: Amber
Location: Tucson, AZ
Email: cablegirl0069@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, June 25, 2001
Time: 01:37:55 AM
Hi
Name: Ronald And Jeanie
Location: Texas
Email: rcandj@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, June 23, 2001
Time: 01:04:03 PM
We like your site; however, we don't understand why you don't have a 501(c). Anakosha Village of Freedom in your swing links section says they have one. Keep up the good work.
Name: John and Lorene
Location: Atlantic Beach Florida
Email: johnny697@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, June 19, 2001
Time: 12:44:01 PM
We are a married Chritian couple of 30yrs and find your site to be very refreshing. We do not attend church because of christian right and we believe in what your sight say's. We don't know of any other's in our area we can talk to or any group's to talk to here. Would like your help in talking to more people like us.
Thank You For Your Bravery and Honesty John & Lorene Mizell
Name: Mike Stevens
Location: Neenah Wisconsin
Email: michaelastevens@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001
Time: 04:30:20 PM
I looked at the portion of your website concerning celibacy and, to put it bluntly, I was OFFENDED and OUTRAGED. You have stirred up my righteous anger by implying that celibacy is harmful, some kind of disorder. Don't you know 1 Corinthians 7:8 ? It reads: I SAY THEREFORE TO THE UNMARRIED AND WIDOWS, IT IS GOOD FOR THEM IF THEY ABIDE EVEN AS I. How dare you ignore Bible teaching! Also, remember that Jesus our Lord and King was celibate! I believe that you are DENIGRATING the life and name of Christ!! I am celibate, and have been ALL of my 39 years and I feel so blessed with good health, a sound mind, and a saved soul. I have all of these things and most importantly, my sins have been washed away by the blood of Christ and I have the gift of celibacy and PURITY! I only hope that you would reconsider this unbiblical position you have taken. A life of celibacy for me is far preferrable to a life of lust and SIN. Sincerely, Michael A. Stevens, A SERVANT OF JESUS CHRIST, SUPREME RULER OF THE UNIVERSE, LAMB OF GOD, AND FIERCE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH
Dave comments: Sadly a great example of the biblical ignorance of so many Christians and how their preaching of traditional lies makes so many flee from Christianity for the wrong reason.
Name: Darren Edward Lee
Location: Aurora, Illinois 60505
Email: delmunk@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, April 21, 2001
Time: 05:02:40 PM
Thank You.
Name: Robert A. Heinlein
Location: Germany
Email:
Website:
Date: Friday, April 20, 2001
Time: 04:08:33 PM
This is pretty much one of the best sites about sexual education there is!
Name: Jim Miller
Location: New Hall, California
Email: n/a
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, February 04, 2001
Time: 08:32:02 PM
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Name: Tom Edwards, Liberated Christian
Location: Gadsden, Alabama
Email: youme69@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.america.com
Date: Saturday, January 27, 2001
Time: 12:53:52 AM
This is great. It still blows my mind. I am doing my part and letting everyone I talk to know about this great site. I am really having fun doing it. If you believe in this then you also need to let people know about it. Being a Liberated Christian is great.
Name: CIndy
Location: Sausalito, CA
Email: goofee289@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001
Time: 06:51:04 PM
Thank you so much for this website. I have been in a discussion with friends and POLY and reilgion and this has been such a great big help.
Thanks Cindy
Name: Geo
Location: Austin, Tx
Email: awamg2000@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, January 11, 2001
Time: 12:06:46 AM
Well, your site really seems interesting to me but, it seems that I may be one of the few. I am a very sexaul yet, loving person and I find it odd that people seem to have such a hard time believing that you can be sexually involved with more than one person and yet share deep, loving feelings for each. Maybe I am just in a different place than most but, I thank God for the women that He has placed in my life. I only wish "all" of them were with me today to share a lifetime of love peace and serenity. I wish you well and pray tha you are Blessed always. I am in a marriage today that lacks "any" sexual intimacy and I am conflicted whether to stay (as a loving husband and father) or to leave in hopes of finding my true spiritual/sexual partner.
Geo
Name: elizabeth
Location: US
Email: fmaleofthespcs@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, January 08, 2001
Time: 10:21:34 PM
Is there a way to start a LibChrist chatroom? If one already exists, please let me know. Also, is there an online church with non-repressive beliefs?
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Name: Jim DeWitt
Location: Charleston, SC
Email:
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, December 11, 2000
Time: 06:05:13 PM
I happened across this website and it sounded interesting. I'm open to new ideas and decided to check it out. At first it sounded appealing, but as I dug deeper it turned disturbing. I saw that you don't want any "negative preaching", and I'll try to avoid that. Here is my evaluation of what I read on the site.
For all the talk about love and caring, there is a very self-centered spirit behind much of what is posted here. The underlying attitude is, "I want to do what I want," and the articles go to great lengths to rationalize everything from adultery to fornication to homosexuality to abortion. Using extracts from scripture and spinning it to justify sin is a dangerous game with eternal consequences.
Whatever happened to sin? People don't want to hear about it, but in the end the fact and consequences won't be denied.
You must decide if you will submit to self and flesh, or to God. Take a look at what takes most of your time, energy, and attention. That is what you worship (assign greatest worth to). Making yourself (or the pursuit of pleasure) the center of your attention is idolatry. I urge you to submit to God almight and reject the bland concept of "God created in mans' image" that this site's philosophy is based on. He is holy and calls upon us to be holy. Can you honestly look at Him and say that the positions declared on this site are holy and Godly?
I really did try to avoid sounding preachy, but I had a responsibility to bring out these points. We are responsible to correct eachother. I pray that scales will fall from eyes and Truth will be seen.
In Christ...
p.s. I posted my name because I am not ashamed of what I've said. I left out my e-mail because I don't want to get spammed in the backlash.
Dave comments: Obviously this person hasn't studied the biblical issues, and reflects the typical ignorance of most Christians who just accept the traditional teachings that have no biblical basis. We don't "rationalize" anything, but seek biblical truth based on the facts of what the bible actually said as understood by the actual words used and what they meant in the culture in which they were written. We take the bible seriously enough to look at what it really said instead of just dismissing positive sexual ideas based on past indoctrination by traditions that have no biblical basis. Try READING with an open mind the facts we present in the biblical section instead of just reacting and calling it "rationalizing"
Name:
Location:
Email:
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, December 10, 2000
Time: 04:26:29 AM
Shalom, again! I wrote to you previously on April 17 2000 and have just returned to see how your site has progressed since then. Even though I cannot agree with everything you write, I am gratified to see so many people liberated through your ministry. Christians of all people ought to have an experiential knowledge of freedom, AND liberty. Indeed, you cannot have one without the other. God is FREE. Messiah is FREE. Christians are IN Messiah and therefore they have an authentic free will to be who they are in Messiah, despite the uncreative legalism that is often preached on Sundays (and sometimes Saturdays) in churches. I agree that liberty is not licentiousness (a license to do evil against your fellow man or woman) but the Torah is a revelation from the Lord of all of how to live in true and honest accord with all men (and women). The NT calls the Torah the "royal law of liberty", not bondage. A proper understanding of the Torah grants us freedom to enjoy God's freedom in each of us which has been gained at enormous cost to Infinite Intelligence and Love. So impressed am I with your site I refer people to it often. I for one encourage you heartily to keep up the good work in this long overdue ministry.
Name: Brandine and Cletus Moyer
Location: Alabama
Email: brandine@whitetrashworld.com
Website: http://www.whitetrashworld.com
Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000
Time: 07:40:29 PM
Thank God for your site! It is a wonderful thing. We love to swing and our website has a "hook-up board" to help swingers meet.
Please contact us if anyone is interested.
Name: Neal AlChalabi
Location: Santa Cruz, California
Email: hungry@sasquatch.com
Website: http://eoroneth.tripod.com
Date: Sunday, November 12, 2000
Time: 01:36:33 PM
I am glad to see a breakthrough like your web site. I too feel that only Jesus teaches the way, and the anti-sexuality programming of the pseudo Christians is the territory of a non-Christian agenda.
First of all, any reference to adultery is linked to deception. Betraying the trust of your partner is adultery. Recognizing and supporting your partners need for human relationships and working to maintain a strong primary relationship while concurrently showing your mate the understanding and care needed for true love is the highest goal.
Some reasonable basis exists for abstinence at times. The body is able to manufacture only so many complex proteins: insulin, hemoglobin, myoglobin, neurotransmitters and hormones.
By abstaining from ejaculation, the body has more resources to develop other complex proteins as they are not being used up. Also, as we know, Vitamin A (or beta carotene) is needed along with B6 to metabolize protein. Excessive consumption or exhaustion of protein resources may result in excessive depletion of A and B6, resulting in vision problems or other protein metabosism related conditions.
Everything needs to be in balance, including sexuality. The true agenda behind sexual repression is related to psychopaths who have directed society toward the non-sustainable artificial environments we produce today that depend on exploitation coupled with scientific and industrial expansion. I am not anti-science or anti-industrial by any means, but recognize that our priorites as living beings is not contingent on science, industry or wealth. Indeed, when we leave this world, these are not the things we will take with us. The blind destruction of indigenous societies to further industrialization is clearly in opposition to all that Christ teaches.
So, to further advancement, sexual energy has been repressed so that it will manifest in other ways. The massive sexual repression of gays in our society is the most obvious example. Gays in our society often achieve more because they are more repressed and their natural inclinations are condemned. Living in repression and secrecy forces the human spirit to explore new avenues for expression. Hence the realization by the oligarchy hundreds of years ago that they could direct the growth of the human population toward their own agenda's by repressing the agenda's that flesh is heir to and assasinating cultural leaders as they decimate existing cultures.
Lastly, the traditional monagamous relationship denies the reality that (sexual or otherwise) people will find more than one other person in their life attracting. The typical monagamous relationship exists in denial of this truth. To reinforce this denial, relationships that embrace such denial levitate toward deception and repression of feelings, or tyranny. This is not what I want for a relationship, and that is why I appreciate your web site.
Name: Dave Mc Birnie
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
Email: mcbirniebd@sabc.co.za
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000
Time: 07:22:36 AM
Hi, you guys are great. And I thought I was the only one in the world who was thinking like this.
Name: Victoria
Location: Colorado
Email: aavasa74@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, October 21, 2000
Time: 02:30:24 PM
Hi there- I grew up with traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs such as sex is wrong outside of marriage end of story. My husband and I are researching 'swinging' and polyamory and are intreagued. God gave us a super libido and we're trying to figure out what to do with it!! Anyway, it's nice to see there are others out there interested in truth, not legalism and guilt trips. Keep up the good work! : )
Name: JoAnn
Location: Denver
Email:
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2000
Time: 11:57:44 PM
PLEASE DO NOT PUBLISH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS Dave & Bill-- I was pleasantly flabbergasted to find this site. I wrote to you about nine years ago. I was newly divorced and very curious about the concept of Liberated Christians. I identified with it. And you were both so surprised to get a response from a single woman. I am still single. Still Christian. Still frustrated over the state of sexuality between men and women. I do not have a primary relationship. Sometimes I wonder if I want or need one. But I do know that the total absence of sexuality is just as "out-of-control" as promiscuity is. And by promiscuity I don't mean more than one partner; I mean thoughtless sexual behavior. I am not interested in thoughtless behavior of any kind. As a consequence, I have been celebate for some years now. I don't wish to use others, but I don't wish to be used either. I will continue to log-on to your site. Perhaps I will even be brave enough to post an introduction some time in the future. I just wanted to tell you that you are blessing others. I feel blessed knowing that I am not alone in the way I believe. Thanks.
Name: Rocky and Fran
Location: Buckle Tennessee
Email: Rcook6260@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000
Time: 09:37:53 PM
This is a great sight ...your views I agree with for I have studied the bible ans seen the same things you say
Name: Dawn Marie
Location: ne tennessee
Email: smithdmarie@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000
Time: 03:48:42 PM
Of course i love this web site. found it by accident over a year ago. great, i am normal. well dysfuncitonally normal( what is normal anyway?). in the words of jewel. the only chains are the chains we make. folks it was for freedom that christ set us free. read galatians. paul even told peter that he couldn't live by all those laws. commandment. love god with all your heart and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. oh the many faces of love, and sexually loving is one of those. godspeed to us all in discovering our freedom. eternity is now folks not later, so enjoy the ride cause its an endless adventure of loving life in christ. thanks dave for all your encouragement and response to my emails. glad to know you really mean what you say. go for 4 or more guys she'll be thrilled to death and never leave your side. lol
Name: Aaron and Sandra
Location: Wichita
Email: coolbassguy@etoast.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000
Time: 10:07:40 PM
Well, this is interesting. We are 23 and 24, married, interested in chatting. Feel free to e us anytime
Name: Robert Groenewold
Location: Koeln (Cologne), Germany
Email: Robert_Groenewold@surfinn.com
Website: http://www.violence.de
Date: Thursday, September 21, 2000
Time: 12:33:36 PM
I like your website very much, since you have found out, that there is hardly anything as sinful as opression - especially sexual opression. The American-German Scientist Erwin Haeberle has published in his <u>Sex Atlas</u> the <b>"Declaration of the Sexual Human Rights"</b>. Unfortunately I have not found them in the web so far, maybe you have got an idea if and where to find them? And, by the way, I believe your website would be a perfect place to publish them.<br>
Greetings from Germany, Robert Groenewold
Name: Wire
Location: Global Network
Email: Select any from the Global Network
Website: Millions
Date: Saturday, September 16, 2000
Time: 07:40:38 AM
Nice site,just like the Scientology Offical page. -Wire
Name: Pat
Location: Philadelphia
Email: deadmidget@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.angelfire.com/band/jesuschmesus
Date: Friday, September 15, 2000
Time: 07:19:50 PM
Amazing site, I never though Christians could be so informative especially since they screwed up with that whole Crusades thing, but boy did they make up for that with this web site! God Bless the Liberated Christians, even though there isn't a God!
Name: Rose
Location: Yuma, AZ
Email: RoseIone@aol.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2000
Time: 05:43:07 PM
I would like to know more. I'm looking for a clean, sincere, gentleman to share spiritual and sexual experiences with. Can you direct me to where I would look? Sincerely, Rose
Name: Rob & Berna
Location: Dublin,Ireland
Email: marymol@eircom.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000
Time: 03:35:59 PM
Can you please help me with a tricky question.We would love to marry another couple but it is very difficult to find a location anywhere on the planet.It does not have to be constitutional,we just would like a little ceremony to commit our verbal aggrement. We would be very grateful if you can help.
Thankyou Please dont put this letter on your site
Name: Aven and George
Location: South Carolina
Email: polycurious@reborn.net
Website: http://www.reborn.net
Date: Monday, September 11, 2000
Time: 06:37:57 PM
My partner and I are seeking likeminded christians for fulfilling sexual exploration. M/F straight/bi/gay welcome. (A lesbian couple would be most welcome.)
Name: Sue Spurr
Location: Baltimore, MD
Email: mischief@erols.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Friday, September 08, 2000
Time: 10:54:24 PM
Thank you. Thankyou. I "was" a born again christian, but my lifestyle didn't fit the hard line of the church. I havent' read Gomes book yet, but this site was just what I needed to reopen my mind to the idea of being more specific about my higher power.
It's like when I was a catholic kid. It didn't make any sense to go through someone to talk with God. My current behavior didn't feel bad or wrong to my spirit, but it seems "everyone" thinks so. I stayed the path. Thanks again for the new idea that I could become a practicing christian again and be the way God made me.
Sue Spurr Baltimore, MD
Name: Brad Golding
Location: Central Coast NSW Australia
Email: HMSIronDuke@ozemail.com.au
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000
Time: 07:54:59 AM
What a breath of fresh air to find your site. I have done a lot of study on the Judaeo Christian culture and have had the great fortune of having wise and intelligent lecturers both Christian and Jewish. Whilst they would not be considered liberated they did encourage a quest for a greater insight.
I hope you will forgive me for the length of the following, but I think you will find it interesting.
Something I figured out: When I was a kid in Sunday school I asked my teacher why there are so many Marys in the Bible. He said that it was because Mary was a popular name at the time. I was satisfied, but much later I thought, what if I had asked him how he knew it was a popular name an I am convinced he would have said that it was because the name appeared so often in the Bible.
Time goes by. Brad not only attends Melbourne Uni, but also does a 2 year part time course in Egyptian hieroglyphics. I dicovered that at the time of the Samual Compromise, when the Hebrew tribes set up their first king and become a state, they needed to set up a bureacracy to support it. Where did they look?? The same place the Hebrew people always used to look for help- Egypt (refer to, Heaton, EW, Solomon's New Men).
Where does the name Mary come from? Mare- The Sea maybe? How about the ancient Egyptian verb, wait for it, 'to love,' 'mri'. Then there was 'mry' the 'one who is loved,' a Priestess!!!
Now read Kinstler, C, The Moon Under Her Feet, a retelling of the Gospel story by Mary Magdalene, High Priestess.
If anyone is interested I wrote a mass based on the Liberal Catholic Church mass, but giving equal weight to both the masculine and the feminine aspects of divinity. If you would like a copy e-mail me and I will email it back to you. No charge and no strings attached. If you like it, use it, modify it whatever, follow your hearts.
God bless you, and thank you for such a wonderful site.
Brad
Name: OrneryPest
Location: Solomons, Maryland (drunk driving capital of the world)
Email: ornerypest@yahoo.com
Website: http://geocities.com/ornerypest/
Date: Saturday, August 26, 2000
Time: 01:48:06 PM
Outstanding site! In fact, I'm gonna link to it from my Religion opinion page so I can visit often and share it with everybody!
Name: Lionel Miles
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Email: lmiles566@aol.com
Website:
Date: Friday, August 25, 2000
Time: 04:29:16 AM
Dave: I am thrilled to see your website which I stumbled on very incidentally. I did my doctoral work at Berkeley on "Human Sexuality and the Religious Community" and can substantiate a lot of what you mention as the hangups of Christians so eager to promote a system and so unwilling to realize that Jesus came to destroy the legalism that still is prevalent in our religious institutions.
I would love to become more personally involved with your programs but must wait until my wife is of the same mind. She is open in her thinking but not as uninhibited as am I because of my doctoral research and the very nice people I met in the "alternate" lifestyle community.
My orientation in early life has been a strong influence for my openness. I am a trained Swedish Masseur who has not practiced that skill except on a few good friends and one or two open-minded church members. I am now retired from the active Christian ministry and that liberates me in a way that no longer has institutional penalties. I am actually quite reserved in my behavior but that does not include the inhibitions that foster legalistic condemnation of a natural human activity like sex.
Please keep me posted on where your group is going and any ways that I can be helpfully involved.
Keep up the good work.
Lionel
Name: Lonnie Lane
Location: St. Clair, MO (near St. Louis)
Email: tehaka@usmo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Friday, August 18, 2000
Time: 04:26:41 PM
Cool site! It's good to see so many Christians start to dissect the Scriptures and begin to reap some of the hidden wisdom that is in it. I am very encouraged by this site. It's great to be able to believe that Christianity may actually someday enter into the 21st Century. I've been waiting for you!
Name: Benjamin G.
Location: Birmingham, Al
Email: Nervgrinder@aol.com
Website: http://www.dontblow.com
Date: Friday, August 11, 2000
Time: 02:29:23 AM
This world is nuts! But hey, you see where I live, let's worship. Since there are no organizations here, I figured we'd skip all of that and move to a dinner conversation. I would appreciate to hear from (just about) anyone.
Name: Evan Mulvaney
Location: Boston
Email: evan_mulvaney@harvard.edu
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000
Time: 11:02:20 AM
Thank you Dave and Bill for your wonderful work in the area of sexuality and spirituality. It's refreshing to know that other Americans who are religious have an active sex life and are open about it. I think many people are simply afraid to express who they are for fear of embarassment or derision. Thanks for taking the risk to have this website. I am Buddhist, but I am very concerned about the sexual repression Western attitudes are having on the purpose of sexuality in a spiritual context. Keep the transformation coming!!
Name: Dixie and Hunter
Location: Savannah, Ga
Email: COUPLE_DOTCOM@YAHOO.COM
Website:
Date: Monday, July 24, 2000
Time: 08:05:00 PM
Hunter turned me on last night to your site. We've been in the lifestyle for almost a year now. He knew that at times I struggled about moral issues. I sat in Mass two weeks ago and the priest was talking about the ninth and tenth commandments. I was feeling guilty until I read some of the comments here. It's wonderful to find a group where I can truely be myself. Thanks!
Name: Dustin
Location: Alberta
Email: www.dustingermain@canada.com
Website: http://www.geocities.com/dustingermain/mypage.html
Date: Monday, July 24, 2000
Time: 02:10:05 AM
to pastor mike who said " We follow the belief that we are all seeking God and enlightenment but how we find it is up to the individual" the bible SAYS jesus is the only way to heaven--not anyother way--Just Jesus second of all--it says RIGHT IN THE BIBLE straight out the homo-sex is wrong! any comments e-mail me
Dave Comments: This is obviously the typical Fundamentalist ignorance both in this and prior post. This biblical ignorance of course is what so many are pointing out that the true Christianity loves all regardless of their natural sexual orientation and of course there is nothing wrong with polyamory.
Name: Dustin
Location: Alberta
Email: www.dustingermain@canada.com
Website: http://www.geocities.com/dustingermain/mypage.html
Date: Monday, July 24, 2000
Time: 02:04:55 AM
Rationalize it all you will-but deep down inside you know that this isn't right-so please--don't call yourselfs "liberated christians" when you are far from christians. I know that sounds terribly judgemental--but the bible says to judge actions--and swingin' and non-mogonomous relationships are sinful those are my 10 bits. bye
Name: Our Little Quad
Location: SOl III
Email:
Website: http://www.geocities.com/polyfamilies
Date: Saturday, July 08, 2000
Time: 06:52:14 PM
IMHO as a web designer, the Jazz piece that opens the page is distracting and makes for a longer download. (I happen to have a cable modem and a Pentium processor, so I think your design parameters may be a little too high end).
Name: Doug Ramerth
Location: Chandler, AZ
Email: e030709@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000
Time: 06:10:28 PM
I like the openess and sensitivity in your site. I spent a couple hours reading all the topics, browsing links. The items regarding single men are direct and honest which is very good(I'm divorced two years ago). I wish you success and the best in loving relationships. Doug
Name: Dennis
Location: Niagara county, NY
Email: Fishbowl@ny.freei.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, June 25, 2000
Time: 01:21:25 AM
This is a facinating site. I am interested in hearing from others who practice this lifestyle. Thanx
Name: don grayson
Location: richmond,ky
Email: freeamerica007@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, June 19, 2000
Time: 11:30:18 AM
I think your ideas on this website is right on. I believe there is a need for this type of information and I wish to encourage you to continue your work. One day this whole nation will thank you for it. Keep up the good work.
Name: Bill & Jan Pace
Location: Royse City, TX
Email: bija@rockwall.net
Website:
Date: Monday, May 22, 2000
Time: 06:44:59 PM
We are very happy to find this site. We consider ourselves committed Christians as well as swingers. We have been feeling slightly guilty about the apparent conflict and this site has helped us deal with this to some extent. We would like to get as much information as you can provide.
Name: Allen and Toni
Location: Tucson
Email: avatar55@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, May 08, 2000
Time: 05:09:17 PM
Great site and good info. It's about time someone did a site like this. You are to be commended. Keep up the good work.
Name: huzhibiao
Location: shanghai china
Email: huzhibiao888@163.net
Website: http://www.163.net
Date: Friday, May 05, 2000
Time: 11:14:51 PM
can you give more instructions about your net to my mailbox? That will be very grateful.
Name: charles
Location: southern IL
Email: ceeboy41@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000
Time: 07:41:32 PM
my i s charles and i am a born again spirit filled christian with an open mind . not judging anyone nor any beliefs. i am open to opinions
i would be interested in hearing from all that wish to correspond about about christian beliefs all females are very welcome and if you so wish we can also exchange mail through the postal system all interseted parties please feel free to eamil me for my postal address.
yours truly - a bro in christ
Name: Pepper Rodgers
Location: Harrisonburg, Va
Email: pepperq@vaix.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Saturday, April 22, 2000
Time: 10:13:33 AM
Great to find your webb site----I'm glad to find other "spiritual weirdos" like my self. I always believe religion is a guideline or a restrictive vehicle for those who can not maturely handle the whole truth of spirituality, God, and the unknow truths we will not learn till we pass on. I have always felt "is this all there is"? when it came to Church---- so many hipocrits. I was slane in the spirit and spoke in tongues at 15 and I remeber talking to Jesus--- HE said "have patience, all will be reveled in the end". I never like church even today at 42. My wife and I enjoy a limited swing lifestyle, but each other more so--- now I can tell her of others and get rid of her Catholic guilt- I hope! Your site has renewed my faith- Keep up the good work-
Name: (Messianic Rebbe) Les Gosling
Location: Tweed Heads, Gold Coast, Australia
Email: lesglen@coolgold.com.au
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, April 17, 2000
Time: 10:00:41 PM
I have perused your material on this site with enormous satisfaction. Most of what you say I have been publicly teaching since 1981 here in Australia ever since I established "The Biblical Research Institute (BRI)" and "The Universal Church of God." As you can well imagine my work is not looked upon with favour in historic Christian circles. Nevertheless I continue to lecture and people are beginning (after so long a time) to listen to what the Bible really says. I thank G-d for your ministry!
Name: jonathan & shalene
Location: melbourne australia
Email: wilcocjd@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, April 09, 2000
Time: 04:42:50 PM
great site wish we had groups like this down under
Name: Reverend Mike
Location: The Church of the Good life,Florida
Email: reverendmike69@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/universallife
Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000
Time: 10:41:39 PM
We love this site and visit often. If anyone in the North Central Florida area is interested in our spritual disccusion group, we meet about twice a month. We are a very different "church" in we don't have a central diety that we worship. We are primarily Christians but we do allow pagans and others into our circle. We follow the belief that we are all seeking God and enlightenment but how we find it is up to the individual.Your website has been used over and over in our disscussions and we agree with you that the church has distorted Jesus's view of sexuality and morality since the inception of Christianity. What a shame that so many are blinded to God's love because of hatred and predjudice. The majority of the group are swingers and we have a couple of Gays and lesbians. Any input that you or your visitors could add to our forum and disscussion page would be greatly appreiciated.The website is still under construction but will be finished soon, please visit. We have you on our links page and would like if you could link to us as we are spreading basically the same message. Y'all are doing a great thing with this site. We've recieved some hate mail from some of the more conservative sects but they are same kind of intolerant people that you get they will never accept anything than what they have been sold for thier whole life. In twenty years people will wonder what all the commotion was about anyway. In God's everlasting love, Reverend Mike
Name: Wes Walker
Location: San Antonio, TX
Email: walkbww@texas.net
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, March 27, 2000
Time: 11:47:47 AM
I enjoy you site very much. Would like to get on your mailing list. But haven't found the window yet. Keep up the good work.. We "people" need a lot more education in this area. Thank again.
Name: Chuck
Location: Ohio
Email: isg777@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Friday, March 24, 2000
Time: 08:43:39 PM
Pre-marital sex is a sin. Homosexuality is a sin too. Looking at a nude person that you are not married to is a sin.
Name: Bryan
Location: Searcy, AR
Email: bmcdonald99@yahoo.com
Website: http://www.
Date: Monday, March 13, 2000
Time: 04:52:34 PM
Do you people base any of your practices on scripture or is it al just animail instinct? I see no scriptual basis for your beliefs, you dont seem to be convicted about anything, it seems to be just oppinions. Jesus tells us that he will spue the luke-warm out of his mouth!! I welcome any comments, bmcdonald99@yahoo.com or bjmcdonald@harding.edu
Name: R&B
Location: Kansas City, MO
Email:
Website: http://www.
Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000
Time: 11:01:52 AM
We are looking for a SWM who is skilled at giving massages to join us (MWCouple). The right person must be willing to go slow and let B control the speed and intensity of our incounter. Personality and willness to work with us is more important then size, age, weight, etc. I am 6'0" 240 and st8. B is a 5'3" BBW who is st8 and very passionate. She would like to have a full body massage while having sex with me. B is not too sure about this and would have to get well involved in her fantisy before we could go on to other things (if). Once we complete her fantisy. I would like to move on to mine. I would like to watch my wife with another man while joining in. We are christian and never be involved in type thing before. We are D & D free, non-smokers, and only practice safe sex. If interested, leave a message on this site. How do we get started or is there anyone interested?
Name: Dave in Phoenix
Location: Phoenix AZ
Email: davephx@priemnet.com
Website: http://www.libchrist.com
Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000
Time: 11:50:59 PM
I didn't realize it but for the past few weeks comments weren't being posted here.
I had a CGI script that I don't know why stopped working. Now I've redone the Guestbook in Frontpage and all seems to be working again.
If you posted a guestbook entry that isn't here, sorry, please repost.
Thanks Dave in Phoenix
Name: Tempted
Location: East Coast
Email: freakydeaky@sexusa.net
Website:
After coming across this site, I am torn between singing "Praise The Lord" and running from the temptation of your views.
I have been a Christian since a teenager (now in my 40's), and the only struggle I have truly had is with sex... frankly, I love the female body, love seeing it naked, love seeing it engaged in sex. At various times in my life Ihave accumulated adult magazines and videos, only to then throw them out when the concern about my interest not being biblical arouse in my mind. The last such time was about 3 years ago.
Yet, this interest in sex hasn't cause me any social problems. I've never regarded woman as sex objects, just lovely beings from whom sex received was a great and cherished gift. My wife and I met in college, we were both virgins, and after a year of dating we began having sex. At the time she wasn't a Christian, but became one two years after we began having sex. She also knows of my struggle, but she doesn't care, in fact has even encouraged it. She enjoys sex tremendously, loves to initiate it, loves to dress up in sexy clothes and lingerie for me. The magazines and videos never tempted me to cheat (even though I have had blantant opportunities thrown in my face), but instead always increased my sexual appetite for my wife. I feel that God has blessed we with a wife that, after 5 years of dating and 15 years of marriage, is still beautiful, horny and with an increasing sexual appetite for me as she gets older (so much so that she once went into counselling because her mother and sister felt she was too interested in sex, and pressured her because she felt "anything goes" between two people in love).
So my wife doesn't care if I look at other naked woman in pictures and videos. And it isn't leading me to adultery. I don't feel it is an addiction, it is more like a hobby. But I'm torn between feeling that the Lord sees nothing wrong with it, and that it is sin. I do thank you for presenting your side - part of me thinks it is too good to be true, and another part of me fears that feeling.
Cardinal Boursy from Church of Orgon--Archdiocese of Boston wrote on February 12. 2000:
| Wonderful site. I'm an ex-catholic in recovery and often dream of nuns in latex. |
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Thanks for this site Dave. I have always thought swinging was totally normal from my teen years, but never thought anyone else thought the same way as I did. I got married to a wonderful Christian woman, and this site helped enormously in making her receptive to swinging. We have had a small number of good experiences with another couple, and are much closer together because of it. I don't mean to be dramatic, but just today I got an email from a friend who told me of a "solid Christian" - a real born again Holy Spirit filled early morning prayer breakfast twice a week family where the husband had an affair, which led to divorce, and in the mess of everything their teenage daughter took her own life. I wonder whether or not this site would have saved them all a ton of grief. Compared to all that a threesome seems the much better option. I grew up as a Christian, and I know that everyone in my youth group lived with a dull ache because of the "no sex before marriage" teaching. I had a relationship with a girlfriend during college that basically fell apart because we were under so much emotional strain from not having sex with each other. It would have been so much better to just do it and get it over with - instead the whole relationship ended up revolving around "not having sex", and it failed in short order. Anyway I wish I could just "come out" about swinging, but that would be too early for my wife just yet. I just find it easy to love women, and enjoy touching and giving them pleasure. I love seeing my wife pleasured by others - it just is so sexy, and seems so natural to me. I don't know if I could have spent my whole marriage without having sex with other women ocassionally, and I would have detested having to sneak around on my wife to do so. In case anyone wonders I was a virgin until married at 24, so it's not like I'm a sleazy scum bag either - just a normal male. At least not I'm enjoying new freedoms, thanks in part to this site, and my marriage is better and more secure for it. I can't help feeling stunned by the level of hatred some of the guest book entries have in them. My advice to these people is to be careful, as life tends to have a funny way of whacking you down when you least expect it. Maybe someone you know, who is very close to you, has been living in pain because of their sexuality, and can't tell you because of your hate. Maybe it's time to calm down a little, and stop driving those you love away. Also typing long angry letters all in captials probably causes cancer. Athol P.S. I guess I may as well give us a quick plug. Late 20's WMC in Central CT. Him tall, her short both just a tad more attractive than the average couple, friendly and fun with two darling children. Looking for friendship with other professional couples in CT. mail to couple7877@aol.com |
| I understand "I CAN'T BELIEVE"'S position. I was there not too long ago. I understand the harsh feelings. It is interesting to note how strongly we can preach hate in the name of Jesus who taught love and acceptance. 'I CAN'T BELIEVE" will probably enter heaven because his Lord is more compassionate than he is. We will meet someday in the Kingdom of Heaven where nothing but peace and love reigns. |
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Talk about sick puppies who twist the truth! You guys had to stay up a lot nights to come up with this garbage. I know don't judge you- go read the one about a dog going back to it's vomit! Hell is hot and Heaven is real, you need to turn or plan to burn! |
| The more we read your material the more agree. I was the complete anti gay you would want to encounter. I'm no longer so sure of myself. The same is true of my definition of adultry and many other matters. Thanks for the great web site. |
| We believe in the Almighty and also believe in sharing love with others. We have been in the swing life style off and on for 20 years. While swinging is fun. We would prefer to meet a regular loving couple for friendship and more. Also open for a single woman or unattached single man to join us in a loving relationship for friendship and more. We would love a long term relationship with a couple or single female or male to be part of our family. We would prefer not to have them live with us we have a very small home. But some one who enjoys participating in every aspect of a long term relationship. I am a Bi BBW 48 y/o and hubby is 51 y/o and is a Str8 male. We are smokers and have one cat so if you have allergies please beware. We are d/d free. Not into b/s/d/m. We practice safe sex only. Please no married cheating men! We want to be able to call you any time for dinner, movies, going out or relaxing time at our home. |
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GLAD TO SEE OTHER TRUE CHRISTIANS OPPOSE THIS WEBSITE. YOU OBVIOUSLY READ THE BIBLE WITH THE DEVIL AS YOUR INTERPRETER. DON'T CALL YOU FALSE SATANIC SIGHT CHRISTIAN BECAUSE CHRIST WOULD NOT AND DOES NOT APPROVE. I WOULD NOT WANT TO READ YOUR BIBLICAL SECTION TO PROVE THIS GARBAGE YOU ARE TRYING TO PASS OFF AS TRUTH. IF THERE IS ANY HOPE FOR YOU REPENT. BECAUSE YOU WILL BE LEFT BEHIND WHEN JESUS COMES BACK ESPECIALLY WITH THIS GARBAGE YOU ARE PROMOTING WITH THE NAME OF CHRIST. HOW SICK AND FILTHY. Dave notes: And how obviously ignorant you are other than of traditions, not the bible. Your type posts that seek to just preach in ignorance sadly is why so many flee Christianity. Instead of just your harrang I invite you to discuss any issues you wish on our Forum but you may be offended by informed intelligent discussion that goes against your emotional dedication to traditions that have no biblical basis. I do suggest you at least read our biblical section before showing so much ignorance on biblical matters. Dave |
| What a fascinating, intriguing site you have! Your site is truly liberating. "The truth shall make you free." I never thought I would see anything like it. It's pretty much what I have always believed. I have never understood the moral or legal justifications for enforced monogamy. |
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My bride and I are so pleased to discover your web site. We have been married for well (very well) over thirty years, have five children (the first four girls and then "him") and many grandchildren. We are both Roman Catholic baptised and educated. We practice our religion and agree wih most of its teachings. We preach love and acceptance to our offspring. They were the product of our love, commitment, and enjoyment of one another. We practice covertly various expressions of our love. Many of our practices would be publically frowned upon by many of our associates. We are monomagous by choice. Within our loving relationship we have more variety than most everyone we are aware of. Our love for each other has allowed us to experiment. We have tried most everything. Even at our age we still try new things (a few weeks ago thats to LC we discovered clothespins.... we've created a run on them in our local Walmart....). Our youngest is thirteen (him). Sooner or later we'll be alone again. That proposition leads me to believe my bride and I will have even more time to experiment in satisfyieg each other fully. The bunch of roses has had its thorns. But the beauty is well worth the occasional prick of the thorn. (My life would never have been so full had it not been for a wife who wes as loving as my bride. I am by all means the thorn in our relationship.) We've already shared with you our experience with clothespins. We have more to add on that matter at a future time. Oral sex has been a major part our relationship as well as mutual masturbation. Despite our large (by modern standards) family, intercourse has not been the primary means of phisically expressing our love for one another. Holding hands, a touch while in church, a glance in a croud, yes, even the loving placement of a clothespin says "I love you", the most common words we share. We hope we have taught our children well by example. The love we hear in Dave and Bill's writings tell us we have found a home away from home. They have expressed with research and documentation what we have merely suspected what our personal saviour, Jesus Christ has wanted for us. LOVE. My only regret is that it has taken me so long to begin to pen the closet door. Please be patient with us if the door opens ever so slowly. God's speed to all. Two New England Catholics. |
| this is totally crazy. it is obvious you havenot read Gods word.Give me a break.....see ya in hell |
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"Not Everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on that day 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?', and I will answer them plainly 'I never knew you, away from me you evildoers' " Jesus, during the Sermon on the Mount of Olives I am sure you have recieved many fire-and-brimstone messages about your breed of "Christianity. I am not a fire-and-brimstone Christian, but the Holy Spirit has moved me to remind you that your sin of sexual immorality will condemn you. As Jesus commanded me, I shall pray for you that you may come to know Jesus as I know him. R.O.R. |
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Dear Liberated Christians, Bravo for speaking sensibly and especially for providing data on HIV and STD transmission. Being non-Christian in theology (although Judeo-Christian in culture) I can understand your views of Christianity were it wuld seem few other "Christians" would due to misunderstanding, but also symantics. However, you have the best strategy - our nature moves us to act and you have keyed upon a very healthy existence. While "devout" believers will continue to suffer, you provide hope. That's quie an accomplishment. Sincerely, Charlie S. Mote Jr. |
| This is very interesting... quite liberating. I don't quite know what to make of it, only that it's eye-opening and sure gives another perspective on things. I always considered myself pretty openminded about subjects you talk about, however, its great to know others do, too. I told my wife to look at the site, and I'm interested in seeing what she thinks. |
| I was amazed at finding you, my girlfriend and I are both Christians, we do believe in God. But we are torn between our two sides, we are swingers, well we have four times, I guess that makes us legit. Pam has hit 41, and her sexual peak went through the roof, she can't get enough sex. I have learned that when a woman does that, no man walking in this world can satisfy it for long. She loves it while it's happening, but it seems like guilt will sneak in there, and it doesn't take much to get her going again. But I'd like to reassure her that she is not a bad person for liking sex. Please respond: Thank you Stan |
| We are a young couple in their 20s and christians. The information about this site was given to us by a very dear couple that are part of our small "swinging" group, during one of our parties. We agree with what Dave and his movement stands for. It is difficult to find others that are young and christian that do not have the guilt of sharing and loving others in a commited lifestyle. We have a lot of problems with the word swinging, because we feel itsimply means get it up, get it on, get it off. wham bam, thank you madam, and this just does not allow us to form a lasting, caring, loveing relationship with others that we love. We believe in the gift of love and sharing. 1 Cor. 13.We are looking for others of like minded people, not looking for young meat, but a loving couple that love to give and to recieve. Thanks Dave and Bill, You are beautiful!!!! |
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Dear Friends.. a good friend of mine told me of this site here. the next few days I will be studying this. But much of this is new to me and it's proving me info which is going to take time to dissiminate for myself. Thank you very much! God bless you.. |
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I am a 52 year old three times baptized Christian. Sprinkled (Catholic), Dipped (Baptist) and baptized in the spirit (born again). I know Jesus and I know he loves me and I am a lustful loving man. He understands me, that I was born with a natural sexuality given by God, that has never been acceptable in the mainstream churches. It is wonderful to know there are more who agree that God gave us sexuality and love for a purpose and we should not hide and feel ashamed. I thank you guys for letting me visit your site and will tell all the others I know (with similar beliefs) about the site. In the words of a famous character, "I'll be back" Brian |