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Note: Liberated Christians is a primarily about heterosexual relationships.
While we are supportive of all sexual orientations, the leaders do not have the
resources to assist them in their special issues. Thus, our Fellowship groups are
not appropriate for gays/lesbians. However, individually Dave (an extreme heterosexual
- Kinsey Scale= 0) has done extensive biblical research and has been active supporting
biblical homosexuality for many years. However, there is no "official"
stand as an organization on homosexuality other than general support.
The Naturalness of Homosexuality
Homosexuality Is Very Natural
Lets Stop The Lies That Hurt So Many
God Loves All Just As HE Created Them
Why Can't Christians ?
The naturalness of homosexuality completely verifies scripture that says absolutely
nothing about what we know as homosexuality today.
Homosexuality is more like the issue of race which should have legal protection
from discrimination. But while being black is never a choice it doesn't stop people
still hating them and homosexuality is likely to be just as difficult. Such an opportunity
for Christians to show Christ's love and acceptance, yet many will still rely on
their false biblical scripts they have been indoctrinated to for so many years.
But even without genetics, lets look at logic. It is rationally inconceivable that
any sane human would choose a sexual orientation that brings upon them so much hate,
discrimination and condemnation of a homophobic society. Most gays/lesbians knew
they were gay from a very young age - they didn't need science to prove its natural.
Most didn't get dropped on their heads or not bond with their fathers. Most came
from a very normal happy families. Atlantic Monthly March 93 issue did an excellent
in-depth article about the Psychological research fully documented and quoted. It
gets rid of the lack of emotional bonding as a legitimate excuse for most homosexuals.
They have been found just as normal in their upbringing and psychological profiles
as the rest of society. Yes in a few cases of terrible experiences it can be emotional
homosexuality - but these cases are rare and very much the exception to the rule.
Now science is starting to understand the whys of natural homosexuality which has
been natural in humans and mammals and But those with a religious agenda based on
questionable translations of scriptures prefer to condemn and try and change what
God has created rather than use Christ's love of acceptance as there example for
love, compassion and outreach - without forcing one to change their natural orientation
which is impossible, or repress their natural sexual actions - which is cruel, unneeded,
and shows more the sickness of the culture and false religious doctrine than homosexuality.
The abomination is not homosexuality but the Church's false teachings. Just like
Christians of the past condemned epilepsy as being demon possessed, someday scientist
may show the error of Christian teaching on homosexuality. Or how scriptures were
used to prove blacks were inferior, or the earth was flat, or was the center of
Thankfully, more and more Christian congregations, ministers, theologians and scholars
are showing the false biblical teaching concerning homosexuality and showing Christ's
love. But some will hang on and get their self-righteous kicks condemning some of
Gods children, unless they change their natural orientation - which is impossible.
It seems clear that homosexuals would never choose such a behavior that generated
so much hate and discrimination. Genetic research, studies of brain chemistry and
studies of identical twins raised apart, strongly support statistically its not
choice but nature. It seems clear that homosexuality is just as natural in humans
as it is with other animals and plant life.
Most compelling is the many personal accounts of those that have tried so hard to
change out of the fear of God, but fail since you can not change natural sexual
orientation. Many commit suicide, or leave Christianity feeling they can't respect
a God that would make them gay and then condemn them to. How can one believe that
God condemns people who love each other tenderly and unselfishly just because they
were born homosexual. It seems abnormal only because the predisposition is a recessive
tenancy just as is left-handedness.
Article by Jack Anderson (Washington)
Since 1988, the Department of Agriculture has been doing similar studies in Idaho
on hormonal and genetic differences in rams. The reason for its importance is not
only to find human applications, but no sheepherder wants to pay $4000 for a breeding
ram that isn't interested in ewes. In an extensive study they found the "Dud
Stud Phenomenon" in some and other rams were judged to be homosexual. The study
showed that about 8.5% of rams studied were homosexual - close to the estimate of
7-10% human homosexuals in the U.S.
Test For Heterosexuals
What if the Bible said that heterosexual activity was immoral, sinful, and to be
despised and avoided, while homosexual relations were the norm the homosexuals were
following the will of God. Now try saying to God: "I realize I am a sinner.
My heterosexual life cannot be tolerated any more. I must break off my "wonderful"
intimate relationships with my companion/spouse of the opposite sex, and make an
attempt to live a normal life loving only those of my gender." Such a shift
would be anything but a simple act of recognizing one's "sinful ways."
It would involve trying to change one's way of loving that seems as old as me.
Internet Public Post from a Gay discussing genetics
There is mounting evidence that sexual orientation has a major genetic/biological
cause. In terms of traits, surely you are aware of recessive genes. Some traits
skip generations. Someone could indeed have the genes for being gay without it being
expressed. In addition, there is the complication of those who may not be aware
of their own innate sexual orientation.
My family has a fairly large amount of gay folks on both sides. I am gay. I have
at least one cousin on each side who is gay. My father was and apparently an uncle
on my father's side is bisexual. My mother's mother's brother (my great uncle) is
gay. His father (my great grandfather) was gay. There are some other family members
who seem like they may be gay, but are not aware/expressing it. (Think of what it
would be like to have the genes for dyslexia, if you were never exposed to writing,
what would that mean?)
There have been several studies done which find a higher concordance rate of being
gay between identical twins than between fraternal twins, even when raised apart
(and in different environments.) We could also point out that same-sex behavior
is observed across time, culture and species. Every person I have ever heard from
has described coming out as a recognition of an already existing state, rather than
an alternative chosen from a number of equally likely possibilities.
I have to admit growing increasingly tired of straight people speaking so authoritatively
about a subject that don't seem to know anything about. if Physslis Schlafley, founder
of the conservative women's group the Eagle Forum, wasn't aware her own son John
was gay; if Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell were not aware that Mel White, the man
who was a speech-writer and ghost wrote their autobiographies for them, was gay;
if the contemporaries of Liberace, Walt Whitman, Gertrude Stein, J. Edgar Hoover,
Rock Hudson, Ellen DeGeneres (and I could go on....) were clueless; why in heaven's
name should lesbigay folks accept the judgment of people who can't identify us until
we practically drop a boat anchor on their head? If straight folks know so much,
why is it we always seem to have to come out to you? If you fail identification,
why are other opinions more accurate than our own experience?
In short, prove you have good gaydar, and we'll talk. Otherwise, please don't say
that you know more about being me than I do.
Homosexuality/Bisexuality in the Animal Kingdom
Judd Marmor, "Homosexual Behavior," 1980; chapter 1: Ambisexuality
in Animals, by R. H. Denniston, p. 34
Frequent homosexual activity has been described for all species of mammals of which
careful observations have been made. This behavior is so common in domestic stock
as to attract little notice from the husbandman, unless he chooses to use it for
some specific purpose. Cows in heat so frequently mount other cows that the behavior
is considered diagnostic of the estrous condition. Young bulls or steers are often
used as "teasers" to arouse mature bulls in preparation for the collection
of ejaculates for use in artificial insemination.
...Geist (1974) in his mountain sheep demonstrates that male-male mounting is a
"normal" part behavior and happens frequently. When a dominant ram is
courting and copulating with an estrous ewe, the subordinate males become excited
and mount each other indiscriminately. Geist counted sixty-nine male homosexual
mounts out of one hundred encounters in such a situation. Feral goats show the same
behavior. Rams may ejaculate at any time during the year in homosexual interaction.
.[p. 35] Young (1961) describes estrous mounting in twelve species of animals ranging
from the shrew to the chimpanzee. .P ...[p. 37] According to McBride and Hebb (1948)
... the mature male dolphin has perhaps as broad an array of self-stimulating methods
as has the mature human male. The males show evidence of sexual excitation throughout
the year. Much of this evidence is in the area of homosexual behavior. .P ...Both
male and female homosexual behaviors are shown in the primates, but the former is
more obvious and may go to apparent climax per anum. .P ...[p. 38] Female primate
homosexual behavior seems to take the form of mutual grooming, including oral contacts
with the external genitalia and occasional mounts. .P ...Cow elephants in one-sexed
groups spend much time masturbating each other with their trunks (Morris, 1970).
.P ...This survey of homosexual activity among lower animals should serve to explode
several widely held misconceptions. First, it certainly is not a uniquely human
practice. It occurs in every type of animal that has been carefully studied. Second,
it has little relation to hormonal or structural abnormality. Even as lowly an organism
as the fish show homosexuality related to social dominance-subordination conditioning
rather than to endocrine aberrations. It is behavioral preconditioning that is directive,
with hormones playing a permissive or generalized activating role.
Agar, M.E. & Mitchell, G., 1975
Behavior of free-ranging rhesus adults: a review. In Bourne, G. (Ed.) The Rhesus
Monkey (Vol. I, Chapter 8). New York: Academic Press, pp. 323-342
Carpenter, C. R., 1942
Sexual behaviour of free-ranging rhesus monkeys (Macaca mulatta). II: Periodicity
of estrus, homosexual, autoerotic and nonconformist behavior J COMPARATIVE PSYCH.
Dagg, A. I., 1984
Homosexual behaviour and female-male mounting in mammals - a first survey. MAMMAL.
REV. 14(4): 155-185
Edwards, A-M. A. R. & Todd, J. D., 1991
Homosexual behaviour in wild white-handed gibbons (Hylobates lar) PRIMATES 32(2):
Erwin, J. & Maple, T., 1976
Ambisexual behavior with male-male anal penetration in male rhesus monkeys. ARCH.
SEXUAL BEHAV. 5(1): 9-14
Fairbanks, L. & McGuire, M., 1977
Homosexual behavior and female aggression in rhesus macaques. Paper presented at
the Western Psychological Association meeting, Seattle, Washington, April.
Fox, G. S., 1977
Social dynamics in siamang. Doctoral dissertation, University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee.
Goy, R. W. & Goldfoot, D. A. 1975
Neuroendocrinology: animal models and problems of human sexuality ARCH. SEXUAL BEHAV.
Kling, A. & Dunne, K., 1976
Social-environmental factors affecting behavior and plasma testosterone in normal
and amygdala lesioned M. speciosa PRIMATES 17(1): 23-42
Kuroda, S., 1980
Social behaviour of the pygmy chimpanzee PRIMATES 21: 181-197
van Lawick-Goodall, J., 1968
The behaviour of free-living chimpanzees in the Gombe Stream reserve ANIM. BEHAV.
MONOGR. 1(3): 161-311
Yamagiwa, J., 1987
Intra- and inter-group interactions of an all-male group of Virunga Mountain gorillas
(Gorilla gorilla berengei) PRIMATES 28: 1-30
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