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Note: Liberated Christians is a primarily about heterosexual relationships.
While we are supportive of all sexual orientations, the leaders do not have the
resources to assist them in their special issues. Thus, our Fellowship groups are
not appropriate for gays/lesbians. However, individually Dave (an extreme heterosexual
- Kinsey Scale= 0) has done extensive biblical research and has been active supporting
biblical homosexuality for many years. However, there is no "official"
stand as an organization on homosexuality other than general support.
A Hurting Lesbians Finds God's Love By Breaking
Her Addiction To Fundamentalism - An Emotionally Powerful True Story of A Lesbian
Finding God on Prodigy and giving up the sickness of Christian teachings.
God In Today's Lives Not 2000 Yrs Ago
Lets just for a moment get our heads out of a 2000 year old collection of books,
written in a different culture in another language whose interpretation is questionable
and lets LOOK AT REAL PEOPLES LIVES TODAY!
This is an example of a Christian devastating a lesbian seeking God's will - Actual
public prodigy post to Mark who was condemning homosexual behavior and arguing with
me (Dave), from a lesbian that jumped in saying:
"I have been in hell since I was 12 years old trying to change my desires.
I married .. and dated as many men as I could in order to change my desire. I have
cried out to God with such vengeance that my heart was breaking. Mark, I have anguished
over this for many, many years. I am a Baptist, I have denied myself so much that
I am in constant anxiety, pain and suicidal. I have been concerned about God since
I was 10 years old, and He is extremely important to me, extremely, and pleasing
Him is extremely important to me...I am in terrible pain Mark, extreme pain, this
is not a light theological argument for me, this is my life."
"I don't want a reply, especially if it's to tell me I am wrong, have been
told that ALL my life in one form or the other, that is precisely why I have such
turmoil within me Mark. I simply wish that straight people would please understand
that this is not a flip decision that people make to 'live in sin' Mark. I just
need to be able to have the freedom to talk with God and have Him help me through,
surely He will do that?...I am in a very personal struggle right now."
Mark replied: "you claim to be a Christian and certainly you will not hesitate
to see what God wants to teach you in His word. Please read the following verses.."
The last thing she needed was more scripture whipping that Mark takes so much pleasure
in doing. Mark represents many Christians that would drive some of God's children
to such deep despair. I believe such action by Christians is much more an ABOMINATION
to God then loving gay and lesbian relationships!
YOU are RESPONSIBLE to GOD for driving people from his love and you IGNORE Christ's
teaching of love over the laws. All for a supposed sin that is no greater than the
sin of greed, pride, women having short hair, speaking out in Church, mixing wrong
fibers together or eating lobster which is more an abomination than supposedly homosexuality!
I will be glad to stand before God, even if I am wrong, but upholding all God's
children in love and wanting to bring them to Christ even with their maybe, highly
God In Today's Lives Not 2000 Yrs Ago Part 2
In part 1 I described the "hurting lesbian". Now lets look at this same
lesbian a few weeks later after much love and ideas from some of us terrible liberal
Christian perverts on Prodigy:
"I went to MCC and I was stunned. I have not felt that peaceful in a church.
I did not feel looked down upon, unusual, condemned, hopeless, judged, or headed
for hell. Tears came to my eyes numerous times just from the idea that God can love
me too! I was in awe as I looked around at everyone and I felt so accepted, so loved
- JUST AS I AM... That is the first-ever- I have felt loved in a Church and the
first time I have ever experienced that God may indeed love me also. My spirit was
dying of thirst when I went in. It meant so much to me this evening, a lifeline
back to God."
She found the loving God and Christ she knew was there, but could not find with
all the sick Christians in the way. Fundamentalist teachings were much more of a
sin preventing her to experience the love of God then the sexual orientation God
gave her. In her words again:
"I want to let all you kind people know
I am realizing that I had never met God, but I had a bad case of Religious Addiction
to Fundamentalism. I have been in the Church since I was 10. I have NEVER seen God
as LOVE, not until I came here and met you all. I believe that God is going to bring
me through this and I will get to know Him, without all the diseased people in between
Him and I. I believe that my main objective today is to work myself towards a healthy
spirituality, which for me, means breaking the chains of my fundamentalist roots".
"I am through with this hypocritical life. Either something is terribly wrong,
someone has misread the Bible, or there is an awfully cruel God, I have determined
that option 2 is the most likely. I WILL pull myself from this cult, I WILL become
a whole person, and I know that this will be accomplished with God's love and guiding
hand. He has already guided me to you (support on Prodigy)."
"And when I get through this completely,
I will be a stronger women, a more courageous person, and a proud lesbian...and
somewhere down the road I will, God willing, be a factor in another women's oppressed
spirit finding freedom from this bondage of religious addiction." She
now wants to reach out and show other lesbians the true love of God and Christ not
the judgment and self-righteousness of many Christians.
I ask: When you face God, who would you rather be. The condemning Christian, or
the hurting Christian lesbian that now rejoices that God loves her as she is. I'd
rather be the hurting Christian lesbian.
Her experience and quotes used with her permission and her tremendous encouragement
to use, wanting to reach other hurting lesbians and gays in Christ's love.
More Prodgy posts from hurting gay youth:
Some of you must think choosing to be condemned and judged by Christians is something
gays take lightly. Why can't they just change you ask. I share with you two actual
Prodigy posts simply to hopefully give you more compassion that it's peoples lives
not just scripture-whipping your condemning theology based on questions scriptures
that many scholars believe have nothing to do with today's loving homosexual relationships
In response to a condemning fundamentalist "I have read God's word with a very
open heart. I have read and prayed and then read some more. The Holy Spirit has
helped me to accept my homosexuality. There was a time when my beliefs on homosexuality
were similar to yours. Kirk, I can not tell you how many nights I cried myself to
sleep begging God to change me, to make me "normal". I did everything
I could to change. I dated women, I stayed away from other gay people, nothing worked.
Don't you get it? I didn't want to be a gay. I very desperately wanted to NOT be
gay. Unfortunately, heterosexuality is not something God chose for me. During the
two years that I tried to change my sexual orientation, God lead me to some other
gay Christians, and with the help of the Holy Spirit, God taught me that this is
the orientation that He chose for me! Since accepting my sexual orientation, you
would not believe the blessings that God has bestowed upon me! I praise God every
day for the life He has given me, and for all the joy He has given me. Now, I don';t
consider my homosexuality a liability, I know my homosexuality is a gift from God!"
Sample 2 "I'm transported back 20 years to the time when I went to a religious
college out of fear that I was gay. I spent years giving my life to god so that
I could learn to be normal, non-gay. I feared being gay. I knew I would be miserable
and I knew god would help me change. I prayed for deliverance. I graduated from
that University and entered the secular world miserable. I was still in conflict.
When I finally acknowledged who I was and what I was, a weight was lifted from me
as only God can do. I have been gay since I can remember and after all the struggle
and prayer the only thing I can conclude is that God lifted that weight from my
shoulders and said now you finally know who you are, go live your life. I only wish
I had known someone like you 20 years ago. We all experience a different awakening
when we finally find out who we really are."
"Why can't Christians get it? You take a few obscure scriptures that many biblical
scholars say nothing about today's homosexuality and condemn their behavior. Are
you so insecure in your own sexuality that you need to feel more righteous judging
others trying to make it as if it came from God! The Christ that I know and love
wouldn't, too bad yours would. Its easy to see why so many what nothing to do with
the god you pretend to follow."
A Tragic Result Of Christian Condemnation
Mary Griffith believed that if her teen son Bobby prayed hard enough he would become
a heterosexual. Bobby prayed for years, fearing he would be punished by God for
his homosexuality. He wrote in his diary: "Why did you do this to me God -
am I going to hell?" At the age of 20 Bobby jumped off a highway overpass and
into the path of a 18 wheeler.
In a letter to other gay people in the San Francisco Examiner, Mary Griffith wrote:
"I firmly believe that Bobby's suicide is the end result of homophobia and
ignorance within most Protestant and Catholic churches and consequently within society,
our public schools and our own family. Bobby was not drunk nor did he use drugs.
Its just that we could never accept him for who he was - a gay person. We hoped
God would heal him of being gay. According to God's word AS WE WERE LED TO UNDERSTAND
IT, Bobby had to repent or God would damn him to hell and eternal punishment."
"Blindly I accepted the idea that it is God's nature to torment and intimidate
us. That I every accepted such depravity of God toward my son or any human being
has caused me much remorse and shame. What a travesty of God's love for children
to grow up believing themselves to be evil, with only a slight inclination toward
goodness and that they will remain undeserving of God's love from birth to death."
B "Looking back I realize how depraved it was to instill false guilt in an
innocent child's conscience, causing a distorted image of life, God and self, leaving
little if any feeling of personal worth. Had I viewed my son's life with a pure
heart I would have recognized him as a tender spirit of God's."
The above is quoted in an excellent book "Is it Choice?" by Eric Marcus.
I'd encourage anyone to read this book before pointing the finger to judge homosexual
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