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Note: Liberated Christians is a primarily about heterosexual relationships. While we are supportive of all sexual orientations, the leaders do not have the resources to assist them in their special issues. Thus, our Fellowship groups are not appropriate for gays/lesbians. However, individually Dave (an extreme heterosexual - Kinsey Scale= 0) has done extensive biblical research and has been active supporting biblical homosexuality for many years. However, there is no "official" stand as an organization on homosexuality other than general support.

Vague Reference In Revelation 11:8

Most translations don't include homosexuality in the "sin lists" since this is a long stretch from the vague reference to Sodom in Rev 11:8, since the listed sins of Sodom did not include homosexuality and it seems clear that homosexuality had nothing to do with the evils of Sodom. In Rev 21:8 most translations read "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, and the vile, murderers, fornicators (or immoral), sorcerers, idolaters, and liars of every kind, their lot will be the second death..." Doesn't even include homosexuals!

The word translated immoral or fornicators actually is our old greek friend "pornos" which I have discussed before. It is the male form of porneia (which from 1 Cor 6:9 is the female temple sexgoddess prostitute). Even Strong's shows a narrow meaning of pornos being male prostitute or a male having unlawful sexual intercourse - like in with another mans wife). Clearly seems nothing at all to do with non prostitution, loving homosexual acts.

The Revelation of John was written at a time of great stress for Christians, perhaps in the last decade of the first century. The circumstances were exactly the sort in which one would expect to find a threatened community raising barriers of purity between itself and the hostile world. The book often uses the language of purity. But given its highly imagistic nature, it is often difficult to know how the author might have applied the language in practical situations. Thus, he speaks often of abominations, uncleanness, and harlotry of Babylon. The New Jerusalem, by contrast is clothed in clean, shining linen, which is the righteous deeds of the saints.

It helps to understand the persecution the Christians faced under the early Roman Empire which may explain the concern of the author. The Roman courts sought to persuade those accused as Christians to commit apostasy by performing an act of worship before the image of the false gods - or be killed!

The high success of the Roman courts explains why the list of terrible acts begins with the cowardly, unfaithful, and polluted referring to those agreeing to offer sacrifices to the gods. All those considered liars who,having claimed to be servants of Christ, finally betrayed that commitment by saving their life by obeying the Roman court order to offer sacrifices to their gods.

But its clearly not homosexuality.


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